Review 2011 – Part 4 Voice of Assenna
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yasin January 7, 2012
Dr. Asefaw U said if they are islamists then they cannot be democrat? That is the most stupid staff i ever heard. Wake up and read about Islam.
Mr. T January 7, 2012
Yasin,
Prove him wrong. Mention any Islamic ruling party in the world that is tolerant and democratic. So far we know Islamic movements in the Middle East are known for their intolerance, their barbaric fanaticism and their rigid extremism. Stop running away from the obvious truth and from the medication that has the greatest effectiveness of curing your debilitating sickness. When the good Dr. Assefaw said “Islamists” don’t follow democratic principles when they hold power, I am sure he did not mean to the vast majority of people who are adherent of Islam. What he meant was people who form parties or movements based on Islamism are often barbaric and intolerant. And his statement can easily be proved by the myriads of facts on the ground.
yasin January 7, 2012
The problem of intolerance is not about the issue of being islamist or not it is simply the way those leaders are. So my point is you can have Islamist at the same time democrat or tolerant according you. You can examples of Islamic democracy such as Malaysia, Maldives etc. Thus, my core point is never label individual attitude of intolerance as a representative of the principles of islam. Hope that clears Mr T.
Cambo January 7, 2012
yasin,
you are misinterpreting the doctor’s comments. You are talking out of the context. The subject was about “Islamists” not about Islam. Islamists are fundamentalists such as Salafists, Wahabists, Talibans, Iranian mulahs, al shabab … and their followers. Islamists do not support democracy and any democratic tradition such as free elections, freedom of religion to all, independent press, independent judiciary, equality and rights of women …
Islamists want to impose the Koran as the only book of law. Think of al qaida, al shabab …
Show a single democratic nation led by an Islamist regime. Is it the Taliban, al shabab, Iran, Somalia, Saudi Arabia …?
Hameed January 8, 2012
Mr. T
You should be the last person to speak about democracy. A blinded sectarian should be the last one to lecture about democracy. Primarily, free yourselves from sectarianism then speak about Islam, Islamists and democracy. How closed minds who adhere to primitive sectarian style lecture about democracy. It better to make the good Dr. a brainwash to the zerE khomaro in Asmara. TsimbilaleA …….. keykhadenet nigogol tikhedin.
Mr. T January 8, 2012
Hameed,
1. Could you mention anyone from the PFDJ hierarchy who was street boy raised by a “komarit”?
2. Was Ali Abdu raised by a “komarit” and grew up as a street boy?
I am eagerly waiting to read your answer, specially your answer about Ali Abdu. A filthy and rotten person that you are, I am also aware what you are trying to get at, and before I say something about your own vagabond character, I will give you the opportunity to answer the above questions. Please don’t ramble on. I am only interested in your concise answer.
Abnet Tesfai January 7, 2012
more haste less speed!!
in the previous speech of the dictator, he was announcing his feeble stand just crying for what he is feeling about his situation as he foreseeing the fate of his master Gaddafi and others in north Africa and middle east.
though we are in a critical time because we are paying our people due to tyrant government in Eritrea and losing our precious time which may enforce us to be eager to eliminate it ones for good, there are some very serious issues should be address and be thought and refined.
1. currently in the diaspora there are hard to count political parties with different attitudes and political ideologies. these number and philosophy are too big for a single and very small country. it seems like the small associations organized by small friends in our country such as MAHBER MIKIAEL, MAHBER GHEBRIEL, MAHBER KIDAMNHRET, MAHBER GHIORRIOS…….or EQUB. the worst is that they are organized based on region and religion and some on clan base. some blindly eager only to seizure power aiming to satisfy their personal dreams are embraced with in these EQUPS which will endanger the futurity, stability and unity of the country. we have the western as a paragon. there are only two political parties like in US with big territory and enormous population. whereas in our case we are misusing the term or we are more concerned to our personal interest. therefore two strong and well organized parties are perfectly enough for our very small country.
Abnet Tesfai January 7, 2012
2. EBAHAL ELA DUMU TEKUAHILA
there are among us having the idea of secession at the whim of the tribes. when come to stop and think this notion it seems like wedi GOLIJ to be declare his own country, WEDI MAITEMENAI and WEDI EDAGHA HAMUS to have their own country be the presidents of the two neighboring streets, it goes like that NACFA and AFABET will be two different and famous states in the world……..
…. ANEN HATSIRINI EBIL NUSU DIMA TEDEBIRU ESIESIE……. KOINU NEGHERU.
We Eritreans remained crying for the smallness of the country and some vacuous nationals are planning to cut it into very small chips.
Hameed January 8, 2012
Mr. T
You should be the last person to speak about democracy. A blinded sectarian should be the last one to lecture about democracy. Primarily, free yourselves from sectarianism then speak about Islam, Islamists and democracy. How closed minds who adhere to primitive sectarian style lecture about democracy. It better to make the good Dr. a brainwash to the zerE khomaro in Asmara. TsimbilaleA …….. keykhadenet nigogol tikhedin.
Alex January 8, 2012
Dr. Assefaw mentioned about Islamists in his discussion, that is fine
with me. But if we want to argue to the topic put it in honesty, do not
let exploited by some not trustworthy people. Christian, Moslem, regional things, come on please, you sound like when we were kids.
Alex January 8, 2012
Mr. T
How dare you defend those thugs in ERITREA from a comfortable lifestyle you are living. Stop mixing their actions
with their mothers. Ali Abdu came back to his parents as a
street boy with no love,respect……..NADA. When he let his
own father jailed for few years tells the volume. Use your
education for positive and constructive thinking, we expect
educated people like you to lead and teach for good purpose.
Rehus Haw-deamet Yegberelna
Hameed January 9, 2012
Mr. T
Mis adgi ziwaAle …… lemede. Don’t lecture about democracy. You are the last person to speak about democracy. First, free yourself from sectarianism, then speak about Islamists. For your information Isaias is zerE Medhin Barad.
Berhane Mesqel January 7, 2012
When the good dr.said Islamist can not be democrat.it is wrong and missleading.one good example is Turkey.you can not generalize people of certain faith are this and that.there are Christians who are intolerant and extrim as well as Muslims.so please don’t stereotype people.dr assefaw is a cadre for certain group or himself .he lacks intellectual honest.simply he is not partial .mary x mass to all
truly, Truly i say to you January 8, 2012
I think brother Amanuel has done it a wonderful job by presenting this three Doctors. I encourage Wedi Isaysu the discussion he started with others intellectuals to continue. If possible with the former PFDJ officials those defected or lives in exile now, like such as Dr. Andebrhan Gebregiorgis, Haile Menkerios, Dr Amare Tekle or others,even if possible still to PFDJ loyalists intellectuals or officials too. My eighth, like there are a lot silent majority regime opponents, there are also a lot silent intellectuals who are worthy and have ability to hold the nation task to lead in peace, democracy and in justice.Even i guess if the US wants to rid Isayas regime,which i believe almost elsewhere is impossible to bring regime change without their good will, support and involvement, when they decide, mostly they like using and choosing such former officials like and silent intellectuals for regime change, not like we choosing or dreaming to see someone to hold power. These facts you can proof it elsewhere weather they did it differently as like i said. The oppositions seems failt to understand this facts to me .
FACT-is-FACT January 8, 2012
Truly, truly ..
The fact of the matter is – Eritrea is simply, and matter-of-factly, cursed. Even those “educated, hardened ex-tegadeltis, well-exposed, Harvard educated turned diplomats” have shown total disdain & detachment of their who they are, their values, their originality. Isn’t Haile menkerios a year or so ago who stated that He “..is the product of the West” ! eha!? Getting Higher education, sucking & consuming Western Higher Institution products make us “Western Products!” . But who really has blessed all of us with the first 12 years of our literacy foundation? who? who shaped, molded us in our very first 12 years of those educational toddling years? but who? The West? so our latter years of higer institutions elucidation make us “Western Products’ !? Unfortunaetly, these are the Asmara breeds of the 40’s/50’s/60 that are now expected to transform Eritrea! .. Poor Eritrea.
g yosef January 8, 2012
why are u suporting a governmet like this ?
eritreans are going every where in the world exept to eritrea I wonder why is this so heart breaking to some of us but not to some ,I am not agianst a person or persons,but for ALL eritreans .this regime is not even concern about the fact on the ground if it was we will never be where we are .Wake up my brothers & sisters we died & prisoned for our freedom before we can do it again ,what we have is not ,what fougth for ,but for just ,peace in our coutry .Let us not pretending our coutry is ok IT IS NOT, AND IT WILL NOT BE OK UNTIL WE MAKE IT OK suporting this regime is not solition ,but hold it responsible for all the sufering our people are going trouhg
FACT-is-FACT January 8, 2012
Mr. T.
OH! Please – as Hameed said it all … OH please … You are not even eligible to be the very last man to speak of democracy, justice and so forth. True – you and the rulers you abet have your own out-of-this-world “Democartic, Justice system” what a traversy of intellectuall deceit on your part. you would have earned our respect if are headed home (Eritrea) and truly exhibit your support to the system in actions, as the system has enough fibble-minded executors here in the Diaspora.
so, endow us with your bravery, show us by example in going back and tell us what you are doing to help Eritrea under the system that you believe is taking it to the next level of progress and democratic.
Until then – we will say you, and your likes, are people of Jeffery Dahmer! who justified & rationalized killing humans, dismemebring their body and frigdized it & fed himself.
Mr. T January 8, 2012
fact-is-fact,
I don’t support the PFDJ regime, and I am against the politics of the current opposition movements which possess no life of their own without the support and guidance of the barbaric regime.
Rhus ldete-kristos yigberelna fetari.
Cambo January 8, 2012
yasin,
you are talking about a none existent subject in the panel. The panelists did not discuss about any religion. you are misinterpreting the doctor’s comments.
They briefly mentioned about Islamic brotherhood “aHwat” which they praised it for its positive roles so far in Egypt and Morocco.
You are talking out of the context. The subject mentioned was about “Islamists” not about Islam. Islamists are fundamentalists such as Salafists, Wahabists, Talibans, Iranian mulahs, al shabab … and their followers. Islamists do not support democracy and any democratic tradition such as free elections, freedom of religion to all, independent press, independent judiciary, equality and rights of women, tolerance to other views …
Islamists want to impose the Koran as the only book of law. Think of al qaida, al shabab … and their offshoots.
Show me a single democratic nation led by an Islamist regime or group. Is it the Taliban, al shabab, Iran, Somalia, Saudi Arabia …?
Turkey is not an Islamist/Jihadist nation. it is a nation where Islam is a predominant religion, as Greece is predominantly a christian nation. This is out of the topic.
truly, Truly i say to you January 9, 2012
part 1
Abdi, what are you invited us to listen? Realy i found it total a waste of time. I couldn´t have patient to listen more than 30 minutes, because i realized what interest groups are gathering there and controlling the discussion. Ok, i may say the gust(Wedi Taba,) seems to me a little bit mature and reasonable for his argument, but the others sorry they are typical PFDJ dictator worshipers. What ever they tried to behave like worthy tolerant people and how much they pretending like be more the people and nation interest or threat oblige them, from their arrogant intolerable nature and stupid argument it is not hard to guess what interest group they are and for what purpose the argumenting for. defiantly not for the people and nation interest, but because to defend their crazy God Isayas only. After all instead blaming woyane they have to understand, all the problem that our people and nation are facing nowdays is caused because of the crazy man they worshiping and his uncuppability for leadershipment as it is.
truly, Truly i say to you January 9, 2012
part 2
According their stupid arrogant baseless argument in pal talk those participated in Addis conference are the only regionalists, but they behaving as if they not. Whom are they going to fool? Ok, lets´s agree anyone in regionalism or religious agenda should to be unacceptable by anyone of us,but my question, are these stupids going to tell us PFDJ is not a gathering of a mafia group mostly from one ethnic highlander Awraja? Look at all generals, ministers and diplomats in authority? What telling or showing you that?Even at every meeting and festival which Awraja people are mostly gathering and blindly supporting the lawless dictatorial regime and why? Anyway regionalism was not my topic,but because you inforced me to talk about it is must atleast to tell you a little about your sin hidden motives.
truly, Truly i say to you January 9, 2012
part 3
Turning to the point, i wish if i have enough time and opportunity to challenge you. But are you serious that you have reasons and points to argument besides unless your crazy self ellect dictator to defend for that he causing all the mess? Please tell me in which coutry have you seen the man sitting in power without election except in Eritrea? Even by relativing those Arab dictatorial regimes, even Sadam Husseien, Kim il Sung, Castro, Mugabe or alikes are all coming to power through election or not? What has to do not to implement the constitution or ellection with border Issue?Since PM Meles gives mercy to those to death sentenced former Derg criminals and to those arch enemy opposition leaders, why Isayas atleast not give mercy to those heros who brought the independence? Military sevice ok! But why it should be endless? Was it not better if serious threat when the nation faces to call them back everone, to defend motherland willingly like we did it before instead by force?