RELIGIOUS PARTIES SHOULD BE BANNED IN ERITREA
Eritrea has two major religions evenly divided among the population. Islam and Christianity have been an integral part of the Eritrean society for many centuries and still are. The lowland is predominantly Islamic and the
Eritrea has two major religions evenly divided among the population. Islam and Christianity have been an integral part of the Eritrean society for many centuries and still are. The lowland is predominantly Islamic and the highlands is mainly a Christian society. Both religious groups had co-existed side-by-side for many centuries until the advent of the Ethiopian era. Prior to that there was virtually no friction between the two religious groups and each group practiced its religious rights unhindered. And during the Italian colonialism there was no visible division between Moslems and Christians and the cooperation continued among the two groups. Italians treated both religious groups equally and enforced their colonial rules on both sides with no special preference of either groups. However, while the Italians ruled and dominated most of the highlands they did very little developments in the lowlands with the exception of Keren. Instead they concentrated on developing a no-mans land of Tesseney and Alighidir which was full of thick forest and wild animals. Hence, Christian and Moslem differences were nonexistent during the Italian era.
Then the British came with their divide-and-rule methods of disintegrating societies. Such methods had succeeded in the other African colonies and they utilized them effectively in Eritrea. Thus arose Islam and Christian disparities in Eritrea. In an attempt to integrate Eritrea with Ethiopia, the British did their best to create a credible division among Eritreans along religious and tribal lines. They did everything possible during the United Nations mandate in Eritrea to encourage the unionists to opt for full integration with Ethiopia but failed in their bid. Eritrea was eventually federated with Ethiopia for a period of ten years. And during the federation era Ethiopia continued what the British started and the disparity between Christians and Moslems widened tremendously. Eritrea was divided between Moslem and Christian adherents. Most Christians leaned towards full integration with Ethiopia while most Moslems stood opposed to it. Islamic parties were established for the first time and advocated for an independent Eritrea. When Eritrea was eventually annexed with Ethiopia, many Moslems opposed to the integration took to arms and thus, started the armed struggle for Eritrean independence.
During the struggle for Eritrean independence, religious movements were nonexistent. The Eritrean Liberation Front fought against Islamist groups and established a movement based upon the plural society of the Eritrean people. Until the independence of Eritrea in 1991, Christians and Moslems fought along each other and gained the liberation of Eritrea from the shackles of Ethiopia. And then arose groups who purported to represent the Moslem segments of the Eritrean population. They armed themselves and were willing to fight the Eritrean government and to establish an Islamic state. They had some confrontations with the Eritrean government and were eventually annihilated by the Eritrean army. Unfortunately, the Isayas government used the jihadist uprisals to his advantages and terrorized the Christian population all the time citing the Moslem insurgents. They succeeded tremendously and aligned the Christian population to support the Isayas government for fear of Moslem domination. Isayas did not disappoint his Christian followers and virtually obliterated any Islamic movement in Eritrea and persecuted numerous innocent Moslems in the process. However, he did not stop with the jihadists but also persecuted Christians that he felt were opposed to his government.
Today, as the Isayas government is close to crumbling the threat of Moslem and Christian disparities are looming again. A few opposition parties in diaspora are established based on Islamic code of conduct. They are loud and outspoken and are advocating for an Islamic Eritrea which is not feasible. These Islamic parties are propagating the same mantra that caused Eritrea to be integrated with Christian Ethiopia in 1962. Eritrean Christians are apprehensive and are suspicious of their Moslem counterparts and their intentions after the collapse of the Isayas dictatorship. If Eritrea ultimately adopts a democratic mode of governance the picture is grim if what we have as the oppositions in diaspora prevail in future Eritrea. The country will be divided on Christian and Moslem basis and the outcome will be disastrous. The fact is that Christians are terrorized by the parties representing Moslem fundamentalists and the principle of sharia to be adopted in Eritrea. As a result, many Christians would probably embrace another dictator, after Isayas, who would keep the status quo and liberalize the civic liberties and establish a viable judicial system. Many Eritreans are not thirsty for a democratic system of government that will include Moslem fundamentalists and that is why they discard the numerous opposition parties who embrace Islamic political parties in their midst. Worse even is if the Christian communities in Eritrea seek some kind of accommodation with Ethiopia, probably federation or confederation, to ascertain their security and to discard the rise of Moslem fundamentalist groups disguised as political parties.
We have seen what Moslem fundamentalist could do in Egypt’s short-lived Moslem Brotherhood government. Even a predominantly Moslem country could not condone the erosion of liberties by the endorsement of a sharia based constitution. That is why the Egyptians got rid of the Mursi government. In Eritrea, Islamist will advocate a sharia based constitution that will alienate half of the Christian population. That is unacceptable and will not pan out in a free and independent Eritrea.
The reason why Islamic political parties are proliferating is because of assumed grievance that Moslems are being persecuted in Eritrea and that Moslem values are being eroded and that “Moslem lands” are being occupied by Christian highlanders. However, the facts tell otherwise. Moslems are being persecuted by the Isayas government as much as Christians are. Isayas has no religion and is a communist and has no loyalty to either religions. With regard to the erosion of Moslem values it is a fact that Moslems have every right to practice their religion as Christian are in Eritrea even under Isayas. Islam is a recognized religion in Eritrea and all its tenets are respected throughout the country equally as Christianity. With regard to the occupation of Moslem lands there a shift of population on both ends. Christians have migrated to the lowlands and Moslems have likewise migrated to the highlands. As a matter of fact Eritreans have the right to settle wherever they wish be they Moslems or Christians and no land is confined to certain religious groups. Most of the migrations have been in the Gash-Setit region where fertile lands and abundant rain have attracted migrants from the highlands. Prior to the advent of the Italians, Gash-Setit was full of forest and wild animals and no human inhabitants except the Kunamas. Hence, all the Christians and Moslems in Gash-Setit are all recent immigrants and belong to no religious or tribal groups. The only claimants to Gash-Setit are the Kunama people who inhabit a small portion of the land.
Future Eritrea must not entertain political parties based on religion, tribe or regional affiliations. We should include it in our constitution that such parties will have no credence and acceptability in a democratic and viable Eritrea. How could we allow political parties that represent a segment of our society and preclude others in their organization? As a Christian, who in his/her right mind join an Islamic party that advocates sharia laws? None. Hence, Islamic oriented political parties will recruit and represent only Moslems prohibiting Christian citizens from their membership. Such parties should not be allowed to exist in Eritrea be they Islamic or Christian organizations. A party must have an open membership principles and hence, should not have rules that segregate any Eritrean on race, religion, tribal affiliations and regional sectors. Any political party registered in Eritrea should embrace the entire people of Eritrea as a whole and should represent everyone else without any discrimination.
The British introduced divide-and-rule policies in Eritrea which triggered the wider divide between Christians and Moslems and eventually integrated Eritrea with Ethiopia. The ELF fought against Islamic fundamentalists and advocated for a democratic Eritrea that embraced every citizen of the nation. Today, Islamic fundamentalism is peeping its ugly head and preparing to divide Eritrea on religious grounds. We should all fight it collectively and establish an Eritrean nation that honors every citizen equally without regard to religious affiliation, tribal or regional positions. We have had enough of Islam and Christian squabbles and we should remedy it once and for all. We should all say no to religious political parties. We should not repeat our past mistakes but learn from them.
God bless Eritrea
God bless the Eritrean people
Mussie Izaz
mussieizaz@yahoo.com
Tesfay Okbu September 8, 2013
Short and fantastic article. I support your argument 100% Musie. I don’t think religious parties are viable in democratic Eritrea. First of all religion is not compatible with democracy. Any religious establishment advocates for its own book and, it believes its book is the only way to communicate with God Who belongs to all religions. Here is the paradox, the fundamental law of democracy is that every human kind must believe in any thing he/she wants and, the fundamental doctrine of religion is that any religious person believes his/her religion is the best. How can we accommodate this conflicting principles.
wed hager September 8, 2013
Timely article. unfortunately, not many people are talking openly about it. this is because, for some forming a religious party is their dirty hidden agenda. people are dedicating most of their time talking about removing Iseyas and not what comes after him. I see the problem in the idea of forming PARTIES. As long as we have parties, it would be extremely difficult to stop a specific idealogy be it religious, ethnic, or regional from finding its way towards the parties. Soooo ……. lets find other rules to play the game.
daniel September 8, 2013
yeas but weather you like or not ,the Longer Wedi Afom stays in power , the stronger these tribalist Islamist and Ethnics group get , the main thing is, will the Moslem population of Eritrea support them or not , if the the Muslim population of Eritrea supports them then Expect a Civil war and Disintegration of Eritrea , if people in this country don’t consider them selves they are ERITREAN first and what ever ethnic or religion they have second , then it is gonna be hard for Eritrea to survive as a nation . for all these to blame is Wedi Afom and Tplf who day and night working hard to organize the opposition of Eritrea as Ethnic and religious party , of course Isayas doesn’t want to see Eritrea remain as a nation after he is gone , he will make sure the Country plunge into a civil war ,so he becomes the sole maker and destroyer of Eritrea , but we the Christian Eritreans are to blame for this , we praised and supported these blood sucking regime , we specially the narrow minded Tigrigna ethnic who still support these brutal regime , specially those who think the Regime belongs to them because the leader ship of the blood sucking regime comes from a certain region and ethnics , these narrow mindedness didn’t help Somalia didn’t help Yugoslavia and didn’t help Ethiopia either. I thout we Eritreans are over that , obviosly we as narrow minded as backward as all the nation who are in civil war in Africa , sad very sad.
Lilay September 9, 2013
Dear Daniel,
When you make a conclusion you should Think twice because you call the tigringa as norraw minded in general so mayy be you are so but not the tigriga etnic Groups. Me as a tingriga I don’t accept any radical chritian or Muslim movement. It is not only Isseyas leading the regime. The regime is a combination of muslim and chritians.
One main Point you missed is that the chritians in eritrea especially the tygringa grupp are those people maily oppressed by the regime.
1. No women from gash barka and sahil taken to Sawa. In keren chritian women taken to Sawa but Muslims not.
2. The plott of land in Asmara, Dekemhare, Mendefera and other high land cities were and are being sold for dollars for people living abroad.
3. Round upps are commen in high lands but not in lowlands and Sahil.
4. Muslims in Eritrea are doing all they want even their extremism is developed in to SUNI and SHEAYT but the government did nothing because they are affraid of any clahses between the government and the muslims.
5. They are arresting JOHOVA, PENTEKOSTAL, Prest from orthodox and so fors.
So we the tigringa hate this non sence man more than any other other ethnic Groups. Those other ethnic grupps like very much beacuse I was in Sahil and barka. except some extremists either ( JEBHA NEBER) or more extremists ( JEHADISTS).
So you conclusion is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tamrat Tamrat September 9, 2013
In you Meeting you Dance how tigrinya wome sacrifice for pfdj and here you claime the tigrinya women are forced. Eritreans win when only thses sopy Creatures like you panished til they think like normal People again.
Zaul September 9, 2013
Tamrat,
With all due respect, it’s non of your business.
Ejel September 11, 2013
Daniel
i have never ever seen a man called daniel, with such hatred toward the Tigrigna ethnic group. are u sure the tigrignas are as stupid as you are putting them here? would u mind assesing and evaluating what the tigrigna has sacrificed for the realization of the independence? do not hurt the soul and spirit of those who paid their five and more sons for the Eritrea that we are talking about. whom do u think u r to insult the mother of all Ethnic groups in Eritrea? try to wear another eye glass bro. and are u sure Jebha, the jeha that we know was fighting islamists while assasinating the highlanders? or u r speaking a jebha which is far away from the sight of eritreans with a healthy sight?
just read again your comment. if u r wishing to unite eritrea, that is another project. and if u r trying to disunite eritrea that is also different. and can u imagine eritrea with out the Tigrignas please?
belay nega September 8, 2013
እንታይሞ እታ ዓረቢያ እንድያ ነቲ ፈረስ ቀዲማቶ
“ክብረታ ዝሽጠት
እንተ ጻዓንዋ አድጊ
እንተ ጋለብዋ ፈረስ”
wed hager September 9, 2013
ha ha Mr. Betach
Eritrea is independent, and will be until the end of time.
belay nega September 9, 2013
This is the result of your wrong principle which happened due to
your agreement with Ethiopians at any cost………etc
Therefore one more time
አዋሳን ደብረዘይትን ብምኻድ ክብራ ዝሽጠት
“እንተ ጻዓንዋ አድጊ
እንተ ጋለብዋ ፈረስ”
Kalighe September 8, 2013
The writer raises a sensitive topic without making the necessary research or having enough knowledge of the issue.
wed hager September 9, 2013
If you think he does not have enough knowledge of the issue, why don’t you tell us your knowledge of the issue?
Kalighe September 9, 2013
“Unfortunately, the Isayas government used the jihadist uprisals to his advantages and terrorized the Christian population all the time citing the Moslem insurgents. They succeeded tremendously and aligned the Christian population to support the Isayas government for fear of Moslem domination. Isayas did not disappoint his Christian followers and virtually obliterated any Islamic movement in Eritrea and persecuted numerous innocent Moslems in the process. ”
Mussie Izaz
The truth is different than what you have written above. Iseyas has been working on the divisive agenda since late sixties. While you said “the Eritrean Liberation Front fought against Islamist groups and established a movement based upon the plural society of the Eritrean people”, from day one he joined the ELF, Iseyas said it’s an organization of Muslims and a sectarian group. His manifesto know as Nihnan-Elamanan is a call for Christians to join him. Anti-Islamic propaganda, along the lines similar to the Unionists’, was an important element in recruiting or scaring Christians in the EPLF: “Amma xaradit”, “Amma ente zeiblom, shuwate lama alewom”, “Islamy mexarede imber aymifereden”, ..etc. the list is very long. It’s an open secret that Iseyas and his group worked against Muslims and their religious values: young Muslims were not exempted from preparing ‘swa’, entrusted unless were drunkard, not allowed to practice their religion, and those who showed discontent were accused of being Jihadists and made to disappear. So, it’s completely untrue to say that till 1991 everything was ok.
wed hager September 9, 2013
“His manifesto known as Nihnan-Elamanan is a call for Christians to join him.”
Can you cite a single line from his manifesto.
also do not try to portray Iseyas as a christian war-lord. here is the line you ignored “However, he did not stop with the jihadists but also persecuted Christians…”
ahmed saleh September 10, 2013
wed hager
speaking about Issayas book of ” Nehnan Elamanan ” it convinced many highlander Christians but at the end he hit
his target to kill two birds with one stone . Unfortunately , the two dying birds start to fight each other on
blaming each other while the hunter have a fun watching their stupid reaction to make him laugh . Open your eyes to see the most affected from wrongs at this moment . If you are good Christian Eritrean stand for truth for heaven sake but not for unreal emotional inclinations . By the way , why we are sober and articulate when it
come in politics of our host countries and arrogant , backward when the same subject switch around to Eritrean
politics . Even the so called educated Eritreans didn’t free themselves from such destructive ideas , hard to understand why?
Kalighe September 9, 2013
Correction:
“Amma xaradit”, “Amma karra ente zeiblom, shuwate lama alewom”, “Islamy mexarede imber aymifereden”, ..etc. the list is very long. It’s an open secret that Iseyas and his group worked against Muslims and their religious values: young Muslims were not exempted from preparing ‘swa’, not trusted unless were drunkard, not allowed to practice their religion, and those who showed discontent were accused of being Jihadists and made to disappear. So, it’s completely untrue to say that till 1991 everything was ok.
Zaul September 9, 2013
Kalighe,
It’s fine to point out things that you find are inaccurate, But Who’s to blame for what happened in the past (Christians or Muslims) will be sorted out by Historians. What about the future? why don’t you also point to the things you agree with in the article? namely the banning of religious, ethnic and regionalist political parties?
Kalighe September 9, 2013
“What about the future? why don’t you also point to the things you agree with in the article? namely the banning of religious, ethnic and regionalist political parties?”
Selamat Zaul,
In some instances, such as ours, the past is as important as the future, because we have a short collective memory, and fail to learn from our past mistakes.
As the writer have done, (and he is not the only one to do so), some of us try to rationalize tragic events of the past to fit current political needs. That is why we have a compartmentalized mind and a biased approach to our common problems. At home we think and say something and on the road something else. We lack openness and sincerity needed to tackle national issue. Having said that, the only way to avoid internal conflicts, similar to those we see everywhere in Africa and Arab World, is to have a political system that accommodates the interest of all members of the society, including group interests. Of course, it’s easy said than done. You cannot make peace with Kunama if you think “they have fertile land, let’s go and settle there”, as the writer is suggesting. They too could take the whole tribe and move to Serae, because “the weather is better in the highlands”. You cannot make peace with Muslims if you accuse every Muslim who dares to open mouth as ‘Jihadist’, because they won’t tolerate that for long, even if what follows will cost Eritrea a lot. We have already seen some of the problems that can complicate our lives, and need not go further in that direction. Ordinary Eritreans of all walks of life want live in peace and raise their kids, but that is possible only if we learn to think we are one people.
Zaul September 9, 2013
To constantly accuse Christians for every ill that plagues/plagued Eritrea is not a solution either. My ancestral land has been seized by the government too.
I wish you could list all the crimes that the Muslims specifically have been subjected to in less vague terms.
Kalighe September 9, 2013
“To constantly accuse Christians for every ill that plagues/plagued Eritrea is not a solution either. My ancestral land has been seized by the government too.
I wish you could list all the crimes that the Muslims specifically have been subjected to in less vague terms.”
Zaul,
Neither Eritrean Christians nor any other group for that matter, have elected representatives, and as such nobody should think those who speak or write on community related issues are doing so in on their behalf.
But social or political attitudes that have helped the dictator to cement it’s power are not difficult to see. Lack of statistics or opinion polls in and outside the country, should not be an excuse either. Take a random sample of Iseyas supporters in Diaspora and you will see who they are and why they are firmly standing with the regime. They are not even hiding it: a large group of them think the regime represents Christian interests, some of them think it’s Hamasinite and a few are after individual interest. This is not how things started in early nineties, right after independence, people cheered every war campaign the regime declared. Back then, the regime waged a silent war on Muslims all over the country. It was really a big shock. They were being reduced to second class citizens. It was known as war on ‘bearded’. You just need to re-read what was being posted to Dehai at the time. The government had confiscated all properties that belong to Mosque, everywhere. Closed Koranic schools, made to disappear teachers in Asmara, Keren and Ghinda, withheld financial support donated by foreign humanitarian organizations, and persecuted educated people,who mostly left the country in droves. I was in Asmara at the time, and I recall well, many ordinary people were relieved to see the government hunting down Muslims. Nobody honest mind can deny the so-called war on ‘bearded’ got the government it’s popularity. This is not to say the government was persecuting only Muslims, in fact it was behind a small peaceful Christian sect, with open and full support of those who saw the group as posing a threat to Orthodox church.
In politics, things do change with time, eventually, after the so-called border war, the regime started to target a larger group it had considered historically its social base, that due to leadership crisis within the EPLF had failed to stand behind the leadership of Iseyas.
Zaul September 9, 2013
What can I say, it’s horrible to hear about people being persecuted and killed for their beliefs. Even though I don’t speak for anyone than myself, I doubt that Orthodox christians would cheer the killing of innocent humans if they had not been made to believe that the “Jihadists” or “Pentes” were an existencial threat to them., the EPLF fighters were heroes and Liberators in most people’s minds and enjoyed unprecedented trust among the ordinary citizens.
I think you would persuade more people to your argument if you could admit that there are Jihadists among our compatriots, but they are a tiny minority with no acceptance among the wider muslim population.
Lilay September 9, 2013
Your analysis is non – Sence.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
belay nega September 9, 2013
Kalighe
“It’s an open secret that Iseyas and his group worked against Muslims and their religious values:”
Are you okay?
Kalighe September 9, 2013
No, I am not ok. I am mad .. , how ca a sane person crisize Iseyas ?
belay nega September 10, 2013
Kalighe
E.P.L.F is the outcome of JEBHA’S wrong doing,so it is natural for it’s leaders to come up with different principles than that of E.L.F, to make a difference.To this end, as far as the goal is being achieved ,whatever is being done during the army struggle is justifiable.
Kalighe September 11, 2013
“E.P.L.F is the outcome of JEBHA’S wrong doing,so it is natural for it’s leaders to come up with different principles than that of E.L.F, to make a difference.To this end, as far as the goal is being achieved ,whatever is being done during the army struggle is justifiable.”
belay nega
Irrespective of who is more Machiavellian, for the leaders of the two organizations, the ‘end’ was not always liberating the people, but working for their own narrow interests. That being said, the ‘means’ they used were simple brutal.
Hailu September 9, 2013
LETS BROADEN OUR MINDSET
There are many religious parties in western world, their influence was good for some period of time and enabled many western countries to base their principles of the main and basic human rights which are set forth in the religious teachings.
However, for many years the religious institutions together with the religious parties have succeeded in shutting the voice of many religion related victims.
At this time many of those religious parties still exist in the western countries, but are alienated from most of the population.
In case of Eritrea, like what has been observed in Egypt, the people of Egypt made a biased decision to vote to the moslem brotherhood and are soaked in to dangerous conditions.
It is not easy to decide what type of parties to participate in Eritrea, if the people have trust on the institutions and their rights will not be under looked it doesn’t matter.
However, everyone has a right to fight to the point his voice and the voice of his like people be heard.
The writer has put all the concerns, which basically were from fear of being a radical groups could form parties and bring chaos to the post Isayas era. But equally, everyone has to work had that those people who think of forming religious parties are included in all.
Hence, not be stubborn to declare no religious parties are needed but let’s make our argument how a trust be developed among all moderate and radical Eritreans.
Kalighe September 9, 2013
“The writer has put all the concerns, which basically were from fear of being a radical groups could form parties and bring chaos to the post Isayas era. But equally, everyone has to work had that those people who think of forming religious parties are included in all.”
Hailu
The writer of the article failed to present a balanced view of the problems, which were mainly created by political elites who practiced the “divide-et impera” principle on ground, and managed to condition ordinary Eritreans Christians to side with the government against another section of their people. The writer started by accusing the victims, and then suggested an awkward solution that calls for more isolation the marginalized, instead of winning them over by respecting their God given rights and making peace. It’s really strange to see some people speak as if Eritrean Muslims started to become Jihadists and that is “the problem”, while keeping silent on the horrible crimes committed against them. When the EPLF takes little girls from their homes at gun point, and them sends them back to their villages pregnant, if some people have no sympathy for them, and see no crime in that, anyone who defends his family against such abuses have good reasons to mistrust the regime and the supporters of it’s policy.
Now, if 25 years later, some people say the regime is also mistreating Christians, I am sorry for that, but people should have condemned the abuses long ago, when ‘others’ were victims, instead of giving standing ovation for Iseyas everywhere . If you complain when it’s your turn to be on the receiving end, it won’t make much to ‘others’ who have seen a lot of indifference, while they were crying for help. All this is happening because in the minds of some people, unfortunately, we are not one people.
Zaul September 9, 2013
Kalighe,
Can you list point by point [1-10] the crimes committed against Muslims by EPLF/PFDJ with the consent, knowledge and support of the Christians.
Lilay September 9, 2013
You your self is worse than PFDJ. You have ALI AABDU who is responsible for Adi abeyto massacer. Is he a chritian?????????????????????? Who are muslims you talking about??? More than 10,000 chritian are in prison for they are only chritians such pentecostal and is was Ali abdu leading this inprisonment. Is he chritian???????????????????????
You should have to Think that wether chritian or muslim a criminal is criminal that is. You were talking about JEBHA. Jebha is the most criminal movement in Eritrea. Jebha killed so may inocent chritian and fighters ( MEKABIR LIKAWUNTI in Halah). 320 University students all are highlander were murdered by JEBHA. Jebhas crimes are ancountable.
Those who fought agoinst Jebha were inteligent Muslims ( ABRAHIM AFA, SALIH TETEW; AHMED HILAL; ALI SAID, SAID BARE, ALI Ibrahim and so on……..) who were military leaders in EPLF in the early 70s.
So you know nothing about the history of eritrean liberation struggle.
dagnew September 9, 2013
Both religious groups had co-existed side-by-side for many centuries until the advent of the Ethiopian era..as if Islam and Christians did not co-exist in Ethiopia mereb milash. A typical graduate of EPLF meida college. Don’t invoke ethiopia in every of your problems. Just like anywhere else, Islam expanded over the sword and the christians in highland eritrea were slaughtered to make way. when there was enough of the blood shed, they simply chose to live at places where they are now (mainly). low land predominanly islam, and highland christian.
you guys are so obsessed with ethiopia, why not just face the reality as it is with out blame shifting. Eritrean islams were from sudan, while the christians used to identify themselves as part of tigray-tigrigni and by implication ethiopia. so shut the fark up and deal with your problems.kikikiki