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Fetsum:Dialog with Yosief Gebrehiwot on his “The Eritrean Opposition: the Fallacies of Its Democracy Project”

The real scenario: I start direct communication with the dynamic scholar Yosief Gebrehiwet fully acknowledging his superior intellectual capacity without any intention to compete for competition does not exist in my Buddhist mindset. I only believe

The real scenario: I start direct communication with the dynamic scholar Yosief Gebrehiwet fully acknowledging his superior intellectual capacity without any intention to compete for competition does not exist in my Buddhist mindset. I only believe in decent communication at equal level of correlation, meaning that relationship is the essence of my drive to do what I am doing here. I feel blessed and dignified having this powerful scholar in the forum with intelligent forum participants and forward my deep appreciation of YG for calling me to initiate the first contact that will last forever. We love YG and we have to make sure this special guest is fully respected in this forum. Thank you my brother!
Rezen on the last article: “Already there are 62 commentaries on a straight forward question that Fetsum raised. Now, we are talking about YG, thus Fetsum’s idea seems to be left on the side.
In asmarino.com where YG’s article was posted, there are 72 commentaries and everyone is free to comment upon it there forever and ever…….Why don’t we concentrate on Fetsum’s proposal, here? Are we not going around and around in a “circular motion”?”
Comment: Good observation and serious warning to how we should communicate here on after. Please concentrate on the issues in discussing this extremely important matter to your society. We are not writing for personal issues but only for the society and don’t waste the time and energy we are investing in this struggle by shying away from the real issues discussed in the articles. Let us please communicate on issues instead of wasting time talking about personal matters. I declare that my brother YG and I are in a very good harmony and warn the readers to avoid creating friction in between which I guarantee will never take place.
As you know, we have been directed by few individuals in the forum that YG has already answered the question of democracy raised in my last article through his 2010 article on discussion. I appreciate the people that directed us to visit the article stating that it does not answer my questions as suggested and we have question on the article that need answers from the brother if he does not mind. He can directly teach us about the issues that concern us through the forum or through dedicated articles instead of other telling us about them.
Yosief: “Introduction: Self-reliant resistance adherents of the Eritrean opposition happen to believe that unless regime change is followed up with democracy, then it is not worth the trouble. One of the main reasons they are opposing military pressure from outside is that it doesn’t guarantee democracy in its aftermath. Although their concern is genuine, it comes from having a wrong understanding of the nature of the Isaias regime. They believe it is the run-of-the-mill kind of dictatorship, similar to that of Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, etc. Starting with such a faulty premise, one can perfectly understand their worries: why undergo so much sacrifice in order to swap one dictator for another? But if one believes that what makes the regime a menace to its people and to the neighborhood is its abnormal totalitarian nature (abnormal among authoritarian nations), then what one should aim at is normalization, and not democratization, as its primary goal. The central question should be: how do we return normalcy to the life of the people? Although democracy rights necessarily include normalcy rights, in most instances the other way round doesn’t hold true. So what is needed is a regime that normalizes relations both with its neighbors and its subjects, and it is not a coincidence that both of these missions happen to be intimately linked to one another. But such a regime may come short of the democratic credentials that many in the opposition are demanding. If so, the critical question is: is it worth all the trouble?
Comment: Said “abnormal totalitarian nature” of the regime at least has been reflecting in the areas of ignorance (most dictators educate their people), forced labor slavery for life (indefinite SAWA experience), illegal activities that include organ harvesting of refugees and ripping off the people for ever (2% tax that secures their Eritrean identity).We certainly need a normal life to return in Eritrea as a priority. Assuming that nothing can be worse than this regime, any other government in Eritrea should produce a better situation than the current, thus welcome. I think brother Yosief’s choice of immediately replacing the regime by one that can normalize our society via said normalcy rightswithout necessarily granting democratic rights emanates from his deep understanding of how terrible the Eritrean situation has been. The emergency situation of our country is probably the motivating factor for his vision of normalcy against democracy as the utmost short run priority of the Eritrean people. He believes that the desperately endangered Eritrean people have to first secure their normal existence before they focus on democracy.
Existentialist Yoseph reflects the philosophy of Existentialism in very interesting way. I love Sartre although his philosophy (Existence precedes Essence) may not fully apply in this situation. Eritrean’s normal existence is more important to Yosef than its democratic quest, thus its existence (normal nationhood) should precede its essence (democratic rights). I accept his vision openly and respectfully and I think this is how it is technically going to be after the downfall of the dictator. A nation that does not have the fundamental structure of nationhood is bound to be unpredictable after this predicament therefore a normalizing catalyst has to mediate the disparaged society with its long run democratic question. So far, said normalizing medium is not clear as it stands but I feel like it will show up in the progression: remember that we are discussing the article in pieces.
Was Yosief’s manifesto time sensitive vis a vis the resistance? I think so. Yosief wrote the article in 2010 where the resistance was very weak and only few activists like him were tirelessly working against the regime while most of us were napping on it. The magnitude of the regime’s force overall was too potent to think of overcoming by the almost nonexistent resistance for an activist of Yoseph’s caliber to suggest taking the risk by using external force to resolve our immediate issue: the Eritrean existence at the basic level of survival. His suggestion for us to guarantee our threatened existence by changing the regime through external intervention was convincing in my opinion based on the time’s Eritrean reality.
The hopeless situation in 2010 (weaker resistance and stronger regime) probably necessitated the idea of external intervention. We were too weak to visualize a self reliant exit from the dilemma. External intervention as dangerous as it has always been appeared the most practical solution to change the government in Eritrea of course at heavy unpredictable expenses for no force directly assists others unconditionally, despite what the conditions might have been in our situation.
How about now?
The stronger the resistance the more confidence we should develop on ourselves to solve the problem independently through what my brother calls Self-reliant resistanceat least knowing that we still need strong international diplomatic support behind it. There is a huge difference in the dynamics after 2010 when Yosief suggested external intervention to solve the problem in view of the very weak resistance of the time vs. a stronger Eritrean regime. Things have changed since 2010 both internally and externally. At home the people are more bitterly disgusted of this regime. Eritreans are openly fighting it in the Diaspora more intensely than ever in the past. The scholars have started doing something here and there. Today in 2014 the Diaspora is more mobilized against the regime barely lacking leadership and strategy (vision) to effectuate the potential on the ground into a successful end.
Our homework should be focused to integrate the two elements in the resistance through a concrete guide line that we can use to attract international politicians (external diplomatic force) towards the resistance. The current situation about three years after the article was written appears to be different in quality (stronger resistance and weaker government).
Question: Is there any modification to the article (suggestion) based on these two realistic variables (potentially positive changes in the resistance though still very disorganized AND weaker and more desperate Eritrean regime) since 2010?
I feel like the Eritrean territorial existentialism has already been achieved through the independence and the associated universal consensus but its cultural fabric is very much disturbed because of the ghedli generation’s (Gennet Original has a valid question on this expression in the last forum) negative input and the worst type of dictatorship. We don’t have an immediate external threat to our independence as a sovereign nation, thus our very existence pretty much secured. The cultural destruction in our society, in my opinion can only be resolved through a cultural revolution in normalized Eritrea. The question is what is normalized Eritrea? To me a normal society is a function of relatively better freedom, justice and basic democratic venues. We don’t have a normal society because there is no freedom and human rights in the country due to lack of basic democracy, quality immaterial for now. The so said abnormal dictatorship in the country that is currently working harder to further disparage our already abnormalized life in unprecedented dictatorial fashion is still dictatorship that must be treated like other dictatorships and the society under dictatorship should act similar to other societies in the classification: transiting to democracy.
Therefore our condition vis a vis the concept of a normal society can only be achieved through a framework that can take us to democracy in its most fundamental structure. What I am saying here is that Eritrea may not be ready to experience full democracy immediately after the regime. It may be incapable of managing a fully normalized society but it can march towards achieving this goal should we work for it starting from nowThere will be a time gap (transition) between our current situation (not normal/abnormal) and democratizing (significant normalization) the country ahead. This is a journey we have to cruise through a temporary arrangement of some sort and I cannot think of anything else other than a TRANSITIONAL GOVERNMENT whose formula can be written down in substantially complete form right now (within this year) at this point of the resistance.
Assuming brother Yosief still sticks with external intervention to resolve our normalization issues as a priority to democracy:
Question: Should we only stick and insist on external solution to solve the problem or we should also concurrently start designing a transitional formula in the mean time? Does the Yosief’s method of resolving the Eritrean immediate problem through external factor accommodate the simultaneous development of a Transitional Formula to democracy or discards the later out in favor of the sole priority “changing the regime by External Intervention”? If not, Why?
Yosief: “if one believes that what makes the regime a menace to its people and to the neighborhood is its abnormal totalitarian nature (abnormal among authoritarian nations), then what one should aim at is normalization, and not democratization, as its primary goal.”
Comment: I do agree that there must be an essential medium going from authoritarianism to democracy or there must be a connecting bridge between a society’s dictatorial fabric and democratic vision. That transition should then obviously be the normalization process my brother has been saying at least indirectly. The procedure we are dealing with appears being dictatorship-to-normalization-to-democracy. I assume the final objective out of this dilemma after the normalization process for all of us should be democracy. The normalization factor in reality should at least in my understanding be only a TRANSITIONAL GOVERNMENT (capable of normalizing Eritrea) with mandate to rule under a temporary constitution for few years until democratic election takes place in the society.
Question: Do we have a difference in this topic?
Yosief;  “So what is needed is a regime that normalizes relations both with its neighbors and its subjects”
Comment: This is true. A nation must normalize relations with its neighbors and its subjects prior to its democratization. It can do this with the neighbors without doing it with its subjects. Eritrea has a partially normalized relationship with its neighbors (Sudan, at least) but this could not guarantee us a normalized relationship between the regime and us (subjects) because of the absolute dictatorship that does not allow any freedom in the country. I think there is one way of doing the second effectively and that is Respect of Human rights. The relationship between a State and its people can only be achieved through respect of the law and human rights in general that can only be secured by democracy. I don’t expect a good democracy immediately but there is no reason why we cannot prepare the formula that leads the society towards whether it works ahead or not; and I don’t understand what we are waiting for.
We therefore need a nation that normalizes its relationship with the neighbors and its people through the known means of achieving the requests. A nation cannot indefinitely ride in the dictatorial beltway without a democratic exit. We have been in the beltway since independence and we should be careful to not miss the exit and condemn the society recycling the problem after the deal with that guy is over.
The ultimate destination of any socio-political structure specially after the downfall of Communism has universally become democracy, and Eritrea cannot avoid this predicament although Eritreans can procrastinate it. The choice is ours and I chose against delaying it without a concrete alternative. We travelled through the harsh road of the struggle to make ourselves independent of Ethiopia and we paid the immediate cost of our independence in terms of this dictatorship for this long and now we should start marching forward through to reach our final destination: freedom and democracy. I don’t see anything else standing in the way except Eritreans themselves because I don’t think Africans have any other choice than democracy from now on and Eritrea must exist from the vicious cycle into a road that leads it to it.
I have a problem understanding normalcy without basic human and democratic rights in the country. I do believe the transitional government that should be formed to replace the regime immediately after its removal is by default logic said NORMALIZING CATALIST that must first accomplish significant normalization with the neighbors and its subjects (people) without necessarily offering full democratic rights that can be guaranteed by a constitutional democracy in the future. The transitional government should, however, be expected to normalize the society in the two dimensions on discussion with more emphasis on the first (normalization with the neigbours) than on the second relationship (the subjects) with a final vision of producing a democratic society ahead that would better answer the questions related to the second relationship.
Question: Do you consider a transitional; government as something capable of serving the normalization needs of the nation in relation to the neighbors and its people knowing that such a structure is only a bridge to democracy and not democracy by itself? What should the normalization factor precisely be, otherwise? Thank you!

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44 COMMENTS
  • Hagherawi April 20, 2014

    YG is controversial guy who has written a lot about the Eritrean Revolution without having seen it even for a day.
    His writings are a very sophisticated narrative with no substance. When ex-tegadelti read his analysis they quickly realize that his writings have very little relevance to the reality. They have no doubt that his effort to de-legitimize the Eritrean Revolution is part of attempts by some [those not comfortable with the new reality or with dubious identity] to turn the clock back, [using a window of opportunity offered by the brutal dictatorship as best as they can].

    Some of YG direct and indirect messages:

    – Eritreans are Habesha but not Eritreans [which is a manufactured identity].
    – Lowlanders’ only issue is religion while Highland elites suffer from a colonial mindset.
    – Eritrea is an artificial country and cannot stand on it’s own [without being part of Ethiopia].
    – Ghedli was about cheating poor peasants to go to war for a cause which is not their.
    – Eritreans under Hailesellasie were far better than other Ethiopians.

    For YG Ethiopia seem to be the center of universe. She is the mother of all Habesha (who according to him are all Christians). A Christendom from which all draw their Habesha identity. His Ethiopianist mind doesn’t see that Tigre speakers in Eritrea and Sudan are also Habesha, and that not all Habesha have to be Christians or Ethiopians. He never mentions crimes committed by Ethiopia against the people of Eritrea. His silence on this issue shows that he doesn’t feel comfortable to speak about it [Does he feel the occupation is justified ?, may be].
    Although he does not state it very clearly, because he thinks it’s not tactically correct to say so, he is against the very idea of independent Eritrea and that puts him in the category of enemy of the State.

    • fetsum abrahamt April 20, 2014

      Hagerawi;
      Please concentrate on the issues in discussing this extremely important matter to your society. We are not writing for personal issues but only for the society and don’t waste the time and energy we are investing in this struggle by shying away from the real issues discussed in the articles. This is extreme hard work that you have no legitimacy to play around with or waste. This forum is not for people who have personal issues with YG but for those who want to produce through communication and respect.

      Let us please communicate on issues instead of wasting time talking about personal matters. I declare that my brother YG and I are in a very good harmony and warn the readers to avoid creating friction in between which I guarantee will never take place. You have no point at all related to the article in your message except grudging out your own personal issues here. There is nothing in your input related to the article, thus total waste and disappointment to the Eritrean people.

      • Gideon April 21, 2014

        Mr Fetsum Abraham,
        Very well said to Hagherawi. No legitimacy to play around with or waste. Don’t waste the time and energy we are investing in this struggle by shying away from the real issue discussed in the articles indeed.

  • Tsehaye April 20, 2014

    Hagherawi,

    It is very strange that a guy who cannot even use his real name because he is such a chicken is accusing YG for not seeing the revolution for a day. How many days did you see the revolution? And if you were a tegadalay for a day or so, when and why did you flee before the mission was accomplished? Hagherawi, how about becoming a lion for a day and tell us what contributions you made to the realization of the ghedli mission by revealing your true identity and with that you also inform us you are the person who use the penname Hagherawi? Let me tell you this: There are very few Eritreans who write in the internet that joined the lunatic ghedli and stayed to the end.

    For more information, you can ask Saleh Younis (the owner of the talibans’ website) and he will tell you the whole story. He left Eritrea when ghedli had encircled the city of Asmara in the 1970s and at a time when Highland Christians (the asha Habesha) were joining ghedli in their thousands just to get us where we find ourselves today.

    • Meretse Asmelash April 20, 2014

      Dear Tsehaye,

      “For more information, you can ask Saleh Younis (the owner of the talibans’ website) and he will tell you the whole story”.
      What exactly are you trying to prove by insulting Saleh Younis?
      I’m sorry, your type of communication seeks a moment of silence. If you believe YG is great so be it, but not considering his greatness at the expense our other brothers and sisters.
      For God’s sake please try to communicate your confidence to other people in the right way; otherwise you are just trying to destruct the discussion forum.

      • Tsehaye April 21, 2014

        Dear Meretse,

        Everyone knows by now that the brain of the “romantics” cult movement is Saleh Younis. Not only does he call YG and so many Eritreans who support YG’s ideas about the ruthless ghedli as “Neo-Andnets”, but he has also declared total annihilation by all means possible to any Eritrean who tells about the dark history of the lunatic ghedli.

        Let the truth be told that Saleh Younis had done nothing even a day worth of contribution or volunteering to the liberation of Eritrea. The cult that he leads and commands at his website and at his will, however, does not spend a day without denigrating and insulting YG and other sensible Eritreans. Hagherawi is one of the members of Saleh Younis’ cult: a group-thinking animal kingdom.

        Please read my previous comment again. I did not insult SY. I only reminded Hagherawi to ask the cult leader if he had ever seen ghedli from the inside. Zeitetsahfe aitenb’b zehawei. What I did was state the obvious.

        • fetsum abrahamt April 22, 2014

          Dear Tsehaye;
          Can u please direct us to the material that provides that information (Saleh’s) so that we can bring it here instead of calling names which is not good for the flow of good discussion here. With respect my brother!

        • Hagherawi April 22, 2014

          “I only reminded Hagherawi to ask the cult leader if he had ever seen ghedli from the inside. Zeitetsahfe aitenb’b zehawei.”

          Tsehaye aka Bokre, Tezareb, Paradiso … etc.

          You seem to be expert on Ghedli bashing. Zogonfo was a nationalist, he used to express support for Ghedli in his own way. He was not a lunatic Ethiopianist. He was a proud nationalist. He was not a rootless bigot.

    • Gideon April 21, 2014

      Tsehaye
      Spot on. Great observation on your part brother. Hagherawi aka Kalighe, Fithawi, Wedi Hager. Old habits die hard indeed.

  • Kalighe April 20, 2014

    Dear Fetsum

    I thought YG had accepted your invitation to join the Forum and was ready to answer questions from bloggers. Instead you are discussing his old article, and you appear to agree to what he had called ‘normalization’ and ‘external military pressure’ in 2010, without enough analysis that could help your readers understand why YG has been pushing all along for Ethiopian military intervention. Could please try to get YG on board, so that people can hear from the horse’s mouth ?

    • fetsum abrahamt April 22, 2014

      Kalighe;
      I don’t remember about accepting an invitation and don’t understand what u mean. I don’t have the capacity to board YG in this media. This is the only way of commu8nication for me.

      • Kalighe April 22, 2014

        Brother Fetsum

        I really appreciate what you are doing for our beloved Eritrea.
        I understand that dialogue is the best way to transform society. That said, a guy like YG who think Eritrea has neither history nor the capacity to stand on its own, cannot be rehabilitated easily.
        And the last thing he is concerned with is democracy.

        • fetsum abrahamt April 22, 2014

          Brother Kalighe;
          We still have to try to collect our minds and it may work brother. Woul;d not it be better to enhance the idea a new rather than trashing the effort down assuming it won’t work? I will try my best to involve YG in my project and move on if I fail with maximum respect to him. I hope he will help us and I wait for hi response if he may. I wish u guys involve in th issues rather than on him.

  • Merhawit April 20, 2014

    A joke:

    DIA had to inaugurate a barrage somewhere in Meraguz on the way to Adi Quala. He had let his entourage depart earlier before him, because he loved sleeping long hours. So he had to make the journey alone. The day was coincidentally the16th of July of the Geez calendar.
    Somewhere on the plains of Meraguz, one of the tyres of DIA’s car had gone flat. But he didn’t have the kits to change the tyre himself. After some helpless minutes, he saw a man on the horizon striding on foot towards his direction. For a normal day in July the village man was unusually dressed rather festive: white- clean traditional outfits.

    The two exchanged greetings, and DIA immediately asked the villager if he had seen tegadelti somewhere nearby.
    “Why should I care about these bandits? Neither did I see them, nor do I want to see these bloody bastards. And I don’t want to talk about them at all especially on this special day”, answered the man rather furiously.
    “What a special day?” asked DIA curiously.

    “Ignorante”, said the man, afraid to say the word in Tigrinya, because he was much older than and physically inferior to his counterpart, and assuming he didn’t understand Italian. He went on: “Don’t you see how I’m dressed? It’s the birthday of His Majesty Emperor Haile Selassie I. I’ve been celebrating this date as one of our holiest saints’ days and shall continue to do so till God calls me one day to his Kingdom. Dejazmat Embaye Hadera – God have mercy on his soul-, who, blessed be the Lord, happens to be a native of our village, had lavishly celebrated this day with the population of Mendefera, and yes, of Seraye. How glorious those days were! I always pray to God that He reinstate those days and eliminate these bloody bandits from the face of the earth”.

    DIA gazed at the man strangely and asked him with a somewhat angry tone: “Do you know who I’m?!”

    “Why the hell do I have to know who you are?”, retorted the old peasant.

    “I’m Isaias Afewerqi, the leader of tegadelti”, said DIA bullish and threatening.

    “And do you know who I’m ?”, asked the village man, posing the question more to himself than to DIA. “I’m the mad man of Meraguz. I’m well known for my madness in our area”.

    Yosief Gebrehiwet has left no stone unturned to discredit our country and our people, our cities and towns, our liberation struggle and our martyrs and the entire history of our aspiration to nationhood. He has used bogus and irrelevant analogies like DAS HAWYA and OBLOMOVISM to render his argumentations an intellectual taint. He hopelessly tries to depict Eritrea as an artificial entity created by the colonisers, forgetting, or rather, intentionally ignoring the fact that all African countries, and indeed Ethiopia, too, are creations of the European scramble for Africa.

    Dear Fetsum,
    To tell you the truth, I hardly read YG’s articles to the end. They’e unnecessarily too long, boring, incoherent and above all tendentious. I wouldn’t advise to waste ur time discussing YG’s articles and be destracted from the main theme of our time: how to get rid of tyranny and build a democratic state on its ruins.

    Like the Quixotic “mad man of Meraguz”, it would be appropriate to baptise YG the Don Quixote of Diaspora Eritrea, for his articles are basically nostalgic of the fake Ethiopian Empire,anchronistic

  • Merhawit April 20, 2014

    …cont’d

    … anachronistic and conscious falsification of facts and bogus analogy of historical events and folklores (Oblomovism and Das Hawya respectively).

    Yosief would be advised not to corrupt his pen and better use it in the service of the democratic aspirations of his people, granted, of course, he at all adheres to Eritrean statehood.

    ps: sorry for the fragmented posting. Problem with the smart phone, as usual.

    • regret April 20, 2014

      Respected Merhawit ,
      stated..-…
      To tell you the truth, I hardly read YG’s articles to the end. They’e unnecessarily too long, boring, incoherent and above all tendentious. I wouldn’t advise to waste ur time discussing YG’s articles and be destracted from the main theme of our time: how to get rid of tyranny and build a democratic state on its ruins….END OF QUOTE

      I agree ,YG’s articles are extremely challenging & sophysticated .They do not have picture illustration like ” THE CAT IN THE HAT” by Hanna..
      Next time he should have versions for “special education students “..I also fall under that category. But ,that uncle of mine who called Bandits by their real action ,he could only be serewetay like my mother..haq..ha..,but my mother was grade 3 completed house wife but she would have ubderstood YG’s articles ,as it does not need master of the3 English language ,just wisdom and not be airhead like mine.

      God bless you.

    • ahmed saleh April 21, 2014

      Merhawit
      ” a joke ”
      Considering the current situation of our country to waste time on individuals ideology in deed is a joke .
      It is up to our choice either to concentrate on how to save the country and our people from this mess or
      play the game of political prostitution behind computers .
      Why not focus on patriots political activists like Wedi Vocaro who fight to mobilize and strengthen the
      movement forces who seek to bring change than giving attention for ta-ta-ta talks to finger accusations
      while the subject in discussion decay slowly day after day .

      • fetsum abrahamt April 22, 2014

        DFear Ahmed;
        I have done the best to involve Vacarro in man articles and we moved on, do u understand? We will explore anything that can help without waiting for any body while making ourselves available to help if asked for it.

  • MightyEmbasoyra April 21, 2014

    How about if I tell you I don’t like YG for just simple reason: I have lost 3 brothers and a sister before and after independence and this guy is now telling me they have died for nothing. They have died to get independent Eritrea and later defending it. YG doesn’t believe in independent Eritrea. So, I don’t believe YG is smart, just for this and only this reason.

    • Tsehaye April 21, 2014

      Mighty Embasoira,

      I understand you. You hate YG for educating and telling Eritreans that our tragedy and mayhem are the result of the all-alien-loving ghedli because you have lost brothers and a sister. you don’t want him to tell you how the notorious revolutions was played out and what the end result is. Let me tell you that I have also lost not just brothers and sisters but a village full of cousins, uncles and countless friends.

      I resent the lunatic ghedli for wasting the lives of my brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles and great childhood and ghedli era friends just to eventually put my proud highland people on the verge of extinction. I despise the ruthless ghedli for destroying the lives of Eritreans. So who is right Mighty Embasoira: you or me? And who should be first: the people or the land?

      • selamawit2 April 22, 2014

        Tsehaye, and now you are so embittered that you can not emphasize with a person when he/she is Eritrean and you feel gratification when he/she suffers?
        I am just asking not judging….
        If yes: May God give you a heart as without one is the poorest and can’t even exist as a “braindead”.

  • MightyEmbasoyra April 21, 2014

    Ato Tsehaye,
    I have also lost many, many friends, relatives and at least 45% of youth of my parents village as well as their surroundings. However, I politely disagree with “some” of your comments. Here is my intake:
    1) The Gedli era has some terrible crimes, weakness, destruction but all the lost lives didn’t go in vein and got our independence. We should be thankful for that.
    2) The majority of tegadelties (both Jebha and Shaebia) were honest and fought enemies willingly and sacrificed to get our country back. They did and we should be thankful for that.
    3) You can’t blame the gedli era because of isayas and his small group’s crime against the innocent tegadelti and civilians. These are few bad apples.
    4) YG ignores all these and he put everything in one basket – gedli era was terrible and it was not worth it. I disagree with him and you on that.
    5) I believe, YG is pro-Andnet – reading some of his articles and he is not ashamed to say that as well.
    6) YG can be brilliant on many cases (I admire his English command) but failed miserably to see this simple case – our independence.

    So, you have the right to like YG’s stand or as a person but at the same time there are some people (including me) that we don’t like his writings on topics related to downgrading Eritrea and his people.
    If I had to summarize my comment on YG, I would say he is Ethiopian, by choice that is.

    • ahmed saleh April 21, 2014

      Mighty
      The whole point is about moral obligation to defend the honor of close to 100,000 lives lost for Eritrea cause mainly our loved once who we missed them most.
      And we won’t follow betrayal characteristics like Issayas and
      cliques. Be assured our people will overcome .

    • belay nega April 22, 2014

      Dear Mighty,

      “and at least 45% of youth of my parents village as well as their surroundings.”

      እዛ ዘይትጭበጥ ቊጽሪ ኔው በላ:ሳዕቤና ይበዝሕ

    • Tsehaye April 22, 2014

      Mighty Embasoira,

      I admire you for your civilized comment that is accepting our difference about ghedli without declaring war against each other. I also have to say this: no Eritrean has ever gone that far with such courage and zeal to expose the crimes of ghedli than YG. You cannot just murmur “Yes there were crimes committed during ghedli” without having the courage to say it in front of a crowd.

      If Eritreans can tolerate opposition organizations such as the Kunama and the Afar which have organizational programs that call up to cession, why are some people generating so much noises about YG’s choice? He is an Eritrean as much as the filthy Eritreans who keep insulting him, and as a free Eritrean, he has all the rights to advocate for what he thinks is the best option for the trashed and victimized people of Eritrea. It is a choice. Nobody has the monopoly of Eritrea. You guys have close relatives who died during the revolution, and I am sure YG has also the same. After all, there is no Eritrean family that did not pay at least one life for the country.

      The crimes of YG are that he is the only Highland Eritrean (while so many have chickened out) to say “ghedli was not just pure evil but it was also wrong”. He is not a zillion evidences to support his argument too. Let me add one more thing: The EPLF (Shaebia) was a private entity that owned by an evil man from start to finish, and that evil man was Isaias Afeworki. Those who died and survived during the revolution had no say as to how the EPLF was managed and run.

      Mighty Embasoira, the reason why Highland Eritrea has suffered and lost so much is because of the lunatic ghedli. Shaebia was not about the people, it was always about the land and evil man. The people were the means how to get the land at any cost possible. You also will hardly find any former Shaebia’s song about the Eritrean people. Often times, it was about the land and almost nothing about the Eritrean people. This is still true under the PFDJ mafia.

      Here is my question to you to ponder. Which should come first: the Eritrean people or the Eritrean land?

      • Tsehaye April 22, 2014

        Sorry the is a typo in my comment above. The statement: He is not a zillion evidences… should read He has a zillion evidences…

        Thanks.

  • Hagherawi April 21, 2014

    “If I had to summarize my comment on YG, I would say he is Ethiopian, by choice that is.”

    MightyEmbasoyra

    When someone says Eritrea is an artificial country thus does not deserve independence, indigenous Eritreans have every right to stop him/her. An apologist of Ethiopian occupation is the enemy of our country. Democracy or not we should not tolerate those who are trying to dismantle Eritrea in the interest of a megalomaniac neighbor.

    • Tezareb April 21, 2014

      al Hagherawi writes, “If I had to summarize my comment on YG, I would say he is Ethiopian, by choice that is.”

      At least he is not an Arab slave “by choice” like those who are ashamed to hear any any Eritrean languages used.

      • ahmed saleh April 22, 2014

        What difference it makes Arab slave – Ethiopian slave . A person with slave mentality is always slave .
        And that is why the word of slave always come-out from your mouth .

  • selamawit2 April 21, 2014

    Ladies, Gentlemen,

    i have uncanny feeling due to the style of argumentation some individuals in this forum are using to convince us we (the Eritreans)

    -were slaves and low-grade

    – deserve the recent disaster (dictatorship, human trafficking, thievery of our organs, perishing as “boot-people”, rape and torture in Senai etc.)

    – our fathers/mothers/brothers/sisters… who have been disseized, tortured, killed and giving away to Russians as living subjects of experiment were valueless and had no right to resist the tyranny of Ethiopian governments

    -therefore “Ghedli” as the epitome of resistance again the tyranny of Ethiopian governments
    were (100%!!!) rubbishy

    Their tricky line of argument goes this way:

    a) Slavery/Colonialism = evil
    b) Eritrea current political situation = evil
    c) (As a former colony) Eritrea per se means Slavery/Colonialism = evil
    -> d) everyone who stands for a sovereign State of Eritrea = evil = slave

    Please don’t be bewildered by this rhetoric – it is only a a cheap try to make you feel useless and to make you accept every bashing and to even kiss the feet of the ones who are bashing you…
    their arguments sometimes sound like they would follow a formal logic, but they don’t and much, much less a valid content…

    p.s. we shouldn’t mistake these kind of persons with those real existent(!) people of Ethiopia who feel with us and who care for us! The ones who care for us will always try to empower us but not at all to make us feel worthless…

  • Truly Truly i say to you April 21, 2014

    I realized those making loud voice and involving in Eritrean issues in their comments and articles most are non Eritreans or peoplw with identity crises are. These people from the identity inferioritycomplex complex they have they think with their rubish propaganda would change the nation independence reality.
    Please Mr. Ababa Janhoy look Fitsum Abraham, stop despising Assenna readers!stop insulting Eritreans! Please for God sake stop messing this Eritrean website with non Eritrean agenda. If you have fun to discuss with Yoseif Gebrehiwot go to Asmarino com and waste your and alike readers time there.
    Actually Hagerawi precisely and shortly told you the truth about Yoseif´s corrupted motive and agenda. But by telling your nonsense irrelevant topic you would like to abandon from truth. Since he is not believe in Eritrean independence and despising and belittling all the Gedli history , all our brothers and sisters for the purpose they sacrificed for, what kind of discussion are you expecting more from a person that does not believe in Eritrean sovereignty? Are not Isyas and his cliques enough for that, why you like to substitute them by yoseif? Nothing idea offended me or i feel insulted than the proposal Yoseif to be my next President hearing? What a ridicule! We have serioius relevant Dekebats for that our people atmost expecting and trust them namely Honorable Dr. Tewolde Tesfamariam and our brother Amanuel Iyasu. We seriously like to ingage with their agenda not to waste time with Yoseif and Fitsum tell tell nonsense narating. Those confident Dekebats they do not need to make loud noise they prefer to be quite, because know no one could change their origin identity with amount of many words and tell tell history. I wish my brother Dawit Meconnen in his excellent English tells you the reality. I really scared because of his absence. Brother Dawit please watch out! Because you tell truth you have a lot enemies. May my God and Lord Jesus Christ protect you!

    • Tsehaye April 22, 2014

      Truly Truly,

      mequwatsrti. ms b’al nska selestedo-arba’ete million hzbi Ertra ente teqotsernas ayeguhyndo? ezi hzbi Ertra haqu indyu keyhalfelu. kan dem royal family kem zelekas Ertrawian aykonkumn identity crisis alekumn ktblena. kan nab qol’a temeliska.

      Ertrawian meguhaiti!

      • Hagherawi April 22, 2014

        “… Ertrawian aykonkumn identity crisis alekumn ktblena”

        Tsehaye

        Truly Truly Xaku eyu … komu ente zeytikhowin, Hagherka ay mitzelaakan.

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