Fetsum:Dialog with Yosief Gebrehiwot on his “The Eritrean Opposition: the Fallacies of Its Democracy Project”
The real scenario: I start direct communication with the dynamic scholar Yosief Gebrehiwet fully acknowledging his superior intellectual capacity without any intention to compete for competition does not exist in my Buddhist mindset. I only believe
The real scenario: I start direct communication with the dynamic scholar Yosief Gebrehiwet fully acknowledging his superior intellectual capacity without any intention to compete for competition does not exist in my Buddhist mindset. I only believe in decent communication at equal level of correlation, meaning that relationship is the essence of my drive to do what I am doing here. I feel blessed and dignified having this powerful scholar in the forum with intelligent forum participants and forward my deep appreciation of YG for calling me to initiate the first contact that will last forever. We love YG and we have to make sure this special guest is fully respected in this forum. Thank you my brother!
Rezen on the last article: “Already there are 62 commentaries on a straight forward question that Fetsum raised. Now, we are talking about YG, thus Fetsum’s idea seems to be left on the side.
In asmarino.com where YG’s article was posted, there are 72 commentaries and everyone is free to comment upon it there forever and ever…….Why don’t we concentrate on Fetsum’s proposal, here? Are we not going around and around in a “circular motion”?”
In asmarino.com where YG’s article was posted, there are 72 commentaries and everyone is free to comment upon it there forever and ever…….Why don’t we concentrate on Fetsum’s proposal, here? Are we not going around and around in a “circular motion”?”
Comment: Good observation and serious warning to how we should communicate here on after. Please concentrate on the issues in discussing this extremely important matter to your society. We are not writing for personal issues but only for the society and don’t waste the time and energy we are investing in this struggle by shying away from the real issues discussed in the articles. Let us please communicate on issues instead of wasting time talking about personal matters. I declare that my brother YG and I are in a very good harmony and warn the readers to avoid creating friction in between which I guarantee will never take place.
As you know, we have been directed by few individuals in the forum that YG has already answered the question of democracy raised in my last article through his 2010 article on discussion. I appreciate the people that directed us to visit the article stating that it does not answer my questions as suggested and we have question on the article that need answers from the brother if he does not mind. He can directly teach us about the issues that concern us through the forum or through dedicated articles instead of other telling us about them.
Yosief: “Introduction: Self-reliant resistance adherents of the Eritrean opposition happen to believe that unless regime change is followed up with democracy, then it is not worth the trouble. One of the main reasons they are opposing military pressure from outside is that it doesn’t guarantee democracy in its aftermath. Although their concern is genuine, it comes from having a wrong understanding of the nature of the Isaias regime. They believe it is the run-of-the-mill kind of dictatorship, similar to that of Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, etc. Starting with such a faulty premise, one can perfectly understand their worries: why undergo so much sacrifice in order to swap one dictator for another? But if one believes that what makes the regime a menace to its people and to the neighborhood is its abnormal totalitarian nature (abnormal among authoritarian nations), then what one should aim at is normalization, and not democratization, as its primary goal. The central question should be: how do we return normalcy to the life of the people? Although democracy rights necessarily include normalcy rights, in most instances the other way round doesn’t hold true. So what is needed is a regime that normalizes relations both with its neighbors and its subjects, and it is not a coincidence that both of these missions happen to be intimately linked to one another. But such a regime may come short of the democratic credentials that many in the opposition are demanding. If so, the critical question is: is it worth all the trouble?
Comment: Said “abnormal totalitarian nature” of the regime at least has been reflecting in the areas of ignorance (most dictators educate their people), forced labor slavery for life (indefinite SAWA experience), illegal activities that include organ harvesting of refugees and ripping off the people for ever (2% tax that secures their Eritrean identity).We certainly need a normal life to return in Eritrea as a priority. Assuming that nothing can be worse than this regime, any other government in Eritrea should produce a better situation than the current, thus welcome. I think brother Yosief’s choice of immediately replacing the regime by one that can normalize our society via said normalcy rightswithout necessarily granting democratic rights emanates from his deep understanding of how terrible the Eritrean situation has been. The emergency situation of our country is probably the motivating factor for his vision of normalcy against democracy as the utmost short run priority of the Eritrean people. He believes that the desperately endangered Eritrean people have to first secure their normal existence before they focus on democracy.
Existentialist Yoseph reflects the philosophy of Existentialism in very interesting way. I love Sartre although his philosophy (Existence precedes Essence) may not fully apply in this situation. Eritrean’s normal existence is more important to Yosef than its democratic quest, thus its existence (normal nationhood) should precede its essence (democratic rights). I accept his vision openly and respectfully and I think this is how it is technically going to be after the downfall of the dictator. A nation that does not have the fundamental structure of nationhood is bound to be unpredictable after this predicament therefore a normalizing catalyst has to mediate the disparaged society with its long run democratic question. So far, said normalizing medium is not clear as it stands but I feel like it will show up in the progression: remember that we are discussing the article in pieces.
Was Yosief’s manifesto time sensitive vis a vis the resistance? I think so. Yosief wrote the article in 2010 where the resistance was very weak and only few activists like him were tirelessly working against the regime while most of us were napping on it. The magnitude of the regime’s force overall was too potent to think of overcoming by the almost nonexistent resistance for an activist of Yoseph’s caliber to suggest taking the risk by using external force to resolve our immediate issue: the Eritrean existence at the basic level of survival. His suggestion for us to guarantee our threatened existence by changing the regime through external intervention was convincing in my opinion based on the time’s Eritrean reality.
The hopeless situation in 2010 (weaker resistance and stronger regime) probably necessitated the idea of external intervention. We were too weak to visualize a self reliant exit from the dilemma. External intervention as dangerous as it has always been appeared the most practical solution to change the government in Eritrea of course at heavy unpredictable expenses for no force directly assists others unconditionally, despite what the conditions might have been in our situation.
How about now?
The stronger the resistance the more confidence we should develop on ourselves to solve the problem independently through what my brother calls Self-reliant resistanceat least knowing that we still need strong international diplomatic support behind it. There is a huge difference in the dynamics after 2010 when Yosief suggested external intervention to solve the problem in view of the very weak resistance of the time vs. a stronger Eritrean regime. Things have changed since 2010 both internally and externally. At home the people are more bitterly disgusted of this regime. Eritreans are openly fighting it in the Diaspora more intensely than ever in the past. The scholars have started doing something here and there. Today in 2014 the Diaspora is more mobilized against the regime barely lacking leadership and strategy (vision) to effectuate the potential on the ground into a successful end.
Our homework should be focused to integrate the two elements in the resistance through a concrete guide line that we can use to attract international politicians (external diplomatic force) towards the resistance. The current situation about three years after the article was written appears to be different in quality (stronger resistance and weaker government).
Question: Is there any modification to the article (suggestion) based on these two realistic variables (potentially positive changes in the resistance though still very disorganized AND weaker and more desperate Eritrean regime) since 2010?
I feel like the Eritrean territorial existentialism has already been achieved through the independence and the associated universal consensus but its cultural fabric is very much disturbed because of the ghedli generation’s (Gennet Original has a valid question on this expression in the last forum) negative input and the worst type of dictatorship. We don’t have an immediate external threat to our independence as a sovereign nation, thus our very existence pretty much secured. The cultural destruction in our society, in my opinion can only be resolved through a cultural revolution in normalized Eritrea. The question is what is normalized Eritrea? To me a normal society is a function of relatively better freedom, justice and basic democratic venues. We don’t have a normal society because there is no freedom and human rights in the country due to lack of basic democracy, quality immaterial for now. The so said abnormal dictatorship in the country that is currently working harder to further disparage our already abnormalized life in unprecedented dictatorial fashion is still dictatorship that must be treated like other dictatorships and the society under dictatorship should act similar to other societies in the classification: transiting to democracy.
Therefore our condition vis a vis the concept of a normal society can only be achieved through a framework that can take us to democracy in its most fundamental structure. What I am saying here is that Eritrea may not be ready to experience full democracy immediately after the regime. It may be incapable of managing a fully normalized society but it can march towards achieving this goal should we work for it starting from nowThere will be a time gap (transition) between our current situation (not normal/abnormal) and democratizing (significant normalization) the country ahead. This is a journey we have to cruise through a temporary arrangement of some sort and I cannot think of anything else other than a TRANSITIONAL GOVERNMENT whose formula can be written down in substantially complete form right now (within this year) at this point of the resistance.
Assuming brother Yosief still sticks with external intervention to resolve our normalization issues as a priority to democracy:
Question: Should we only stick and insist on external solution to solve the problem or we should also concurrently start designing a transitional formula in the mean time? Does the Yosief’s method of resolving the Eritrean immediate problem through external factor accommodate the simultaneous development of a Transitional Formula to democracy or discards the later out in favor of the sole priority “changing the regime by External Intervention”? If not, Why?
Yosief: “if one believes that what makes the regime a menace to its people and to the neighborhood is its abnormal totalitarian nature (abnormal among authoritarian nations), then what one should aim at is normalization, and not democratization, as its primary goal.”
Comment: I do agree that there must be an essential medium going from authoritarianism to democracy or there must be a connecting bridge between a society’s dictatorial fabric and democratic vision. That transition should then obviously be the normalization process my brother has been saying at least indirectly. The procedure we are dealing with appears being dictatorship-to-normalization-to-democracy. I assume the final objective out of this dilemma after the normalization process for all of us should be democracy. The normalization factor in reality should at least in my understanding be only a TRANSITIONAL GOVERNMENT (capable of normalizing Eritrea) with mandate to rule under a temporary constitution for few years until democratic election takes place in the society.
Question: Do we have a difference in this topic?
Yosief; “So what is needed is a regime that normalizes relations both with its neighbors and its subjects”
Comment: This is true. A nation must normalize relations with its neighbors and its subjects prior to its democratization. It can do this with the neighbors without doing it with its subjects. Eritrea has a partially normalized relationship with its neighbors (Sudan, at least) but this could not guarantee us a normalized relationship between the regime and us (subjects) because of the absolute dictatorship that does not allow any freedom in the country. I think there is one way of doing the second effectively and that is Respect of Human rights. The relationship between a State and its people can only be achieved through respect of the law and human rights in general that can only be secured by democracy. I don’t expect a good democracy immediately but there is no reason why we cannot prepare the formula that leads the society towards whether it works ahead or not; and I don’t understand what we are waiting for.
We therefore need a nation that normalizes its relationship with the neighbors and its people through the known means of achieving the requests. A nation cannot indefinitely ride in the dictatorial beltway without a democratic exit. We have been in the beltway since independence and we should be careful to not miss the exit and condemn the society recycling the problem after the deal with that guy is over.
The ultimate destination of any socio-political structure specially after the downfall of Communism has universally become democracy, and Eritrea cannot avoid this predicament although Eritreans can procrastinate it. The choice is ours and I chose against delaying it without a concrete alternative. We travelled through the harsh road of the struggle to make ourselves independent of Ethiopia and we paid the immediate cost of our independence in terms of this dictatorship for this long and now we should start marching forward through to reach our final destination: freedom and democracy. I don’t see anything else standing in the way except Eritreans themselves because I don’t think Africans have any other choice than democracy from now on and Eritrea must exist from the vicious cycle into a road that leads it to it.
I have a problem understanding normalcy without basic human and democratic rights in the country. I do believe the transitional government that should be formed to replace the regime immediately after its removal is by default logic said NORMALIZING CATALIST that must first accomplish significant normalization with the neighbors and its subjects (people) without necessarily offering full democratic rights that can be guaranteed by a constitutional democracy in the future. The transitional government should, however, be expected to normalize the society in the two dimensions on discussion with more emphasis on the first (normalization with the neigbours) than on the second relationship (the subjects) with a final vision of producing a democratic society ahead that would better answer the questions related to the second relationship.
Question: Do you consider a transitional; government as something capable of serving the normalization needs of the nation in relation to the neighbors and its people knowing that such a structure is only a bridge to democracy and not democracy by itself? What should the normalization factor precisely be, otherwise? Thank you!
Tezareb April 21, 2014
dear Fitsum,
I would to take this opportunity to thank you for being bold and brave enough to challenge YG, perhaps one of the preeminent living social thinkers and writers, in the Horn African circles.
For those commentators who are responding with out reading YG’s article in Fitsmu’s discussion point, I urge you to start with the following excerpt, then make sure you read the gist of the issue.
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You can read Yosief Ghebrehiwet’s entire article: The Eritrean Opposition: The Fallacies of Its Democracy Project
http://www.asmarino.com/articles/985-eritrean-opposition-the-fallacies-of-its-democracy-project
Here is the excerpt from YG’s article:
(II) What Has Democracy Got to Do with It? [an abridged version] (written on 01/25/10)
Among the opposition’s doing, the most harmful thing to Eritrea has been having its current predicament identified as a political rather than existential crisis. Once misdiagnosed as a political crisis, all try to find a political solution that invariably bypasses urgent issues of survival that has little to do with politics. The reason why most Eritreans in the opposition put undue focus on the “democracy project” – creating political parties, pushing for “unity” among parties, flirting with government-in-exile, discussing on what type of democratic government is suitable to Eritrea, rallying around the constitution or amending it or condemning it, strengthening democratic institutions in Diaspora, instilling democratic culture among youth organizations, advocating for free media and other democratic rights, conducting conferences and symposiums promoting democracy, writing endless papers on the virtue of democracy, etc – for providing a solution to the current crisis of existence primarily comes from this flawed understanding.
Both the regime’s supporters and most of its detractors have this “patriotic” tendency to criminally bypass the people’s existential predicament in order to achieve some higher “national” goal; all said and done, of course, in the name of the masses. The supporters of the regime are infamously known for prioritizing land over people. All their incessant cries for “security of the nation first” have nothing to do with providing security to the people. If anything, Eritreans are more insecure now than ever – both from inside and outside. In a similar fashion, much of the opposition has been prioritizing democracy over people. The democracy proponents’ credo says it all: “The only change worth having is that of democracy” Notice the exhaustive either/or logic under which they have been working: either a regime change that ushers democracy or no regime change at all, thereby implicitly settling for the current regime to occupy the default position until they come up with a democratic solution. Given that a tailor-made change exact to their democratic specifications cannot be guaranteed ahead of time, their suicidal go-slow approach is only understandable. In both cases, however disparate they may seem in the “higher” goals they want to achieve, it is the same nationalistic drive that prioritizes ghedli-conceived “Eritrea” over the masses that explains their respective stands. In the latter case, the snail-paced, incremental pressure on the regime that they advocate is meant to assure no unexpected eventualities that may jeopardize that dream. In the meantime, both are willing to let the masses take all the beating they could, if that is what it takes to preserve the fragile “Eritrea” they harbor in their heads.
The here-and-now and the hereafter
I have labeled what the opposition of the peaceful type are doing as “democracy project” simply because almost everything they do revolves around democracy and democratization, to the neglect of the existential predicament that the nation finds itself now. The pervasiveness of the democracy project is inescapable. You see it dominating in almost any meeting, conference or symposium organized to tackle the Eritrean crisis, be it done by political or civic organizations. Even though many of these adherents of democracy are well-meaning though misguided in their prioritization of democracy, many others do it for dubious reasons – as seen in many of Shaebia- and Jebha-oriented opposition groups.
Disparate as these groups may seem, what is important to us is their commonality: all are so obsessed with the hereafter – with life after Isaias – that they pay little attention to the here and now – how to get rid of the regime and deliver the people from the existential threat they are living under. They are so preoccupied with preparations for the takeover that the task of regime change is relegated to the bottom of their wish list.
ahmed saleh April 22, 2014
Brother Futsum
Try not disconnect yourself from the readers who are eager to learn from our weakness . I expect you to speak the
language they can understand on workable solutions to boost the energy of change seekers morality . The time of
intellectuals political philosophy doesn’t benefit of people whose they find their life and future become unwarranted .
fetsum abrahamt April 22, 2014
Ahmed;
What do u want me to do and what makes u think that i have the capacity to do what u think in ur mind?
belay nega April 24, 2014
Fitsum,
“What do u want me to do”
Let us accept and cure, the virus which is weakening the white blood cells,instead of complaining about a malaria which derived because of the weakness of the white blood cells.
ahmed saleh April 22, 2014
The articles you used to write which attracted many readers prove me your capacity and to concentrate on what is at stake depends on our choice .
Wedi Vocaro initiated to rejuvenate and unite the movement , we expect many activists to follow using any means necessary to show solidarity with our people to get rid dictatorial
system in Eritrea .
fetsum abrahamt April 23, 2014
Ahmed;
We wait until wedi vacarro gets his straight. We told him so many times and he wanted to do it alone. We are available if he needs us to help but we will not fight to be involved by force. I moved on brother and doing the best to use every resource as much as possible. YG is one of the resources that should be utilized if you give us the chance to exchange ideas. I have a project on democratizing Eritrea no matter how isolated and financially weak I am. This is an attempt to get the brother into the motion that I am trying to do and so it is extremely relevant so to say. I wish u get to the points rather than wasting our effort on personal stuff. why don’t you challenmge the ideas and what YG does with them instead of cutting it short because ur prejudice or assumption about him. Let him speak for himself but you are denying us that opportunity brother.I don’t know what vacarro is doing more that u do but I am not going to wait for any body to drug my life behind. I don’t have that time any longer.
Meretse Asmelash April 23, 2014
Brother Ahmed Saleh,
I am not trying to drag back the dialogue here but I just wanted to remind you again that please have some respect for our fallen heroes. Brother MightyEmboseyra had handled your comments wisely and thanks to him and other commentators. The people of Eritrea understands very well what went wrong. We came into this ugly situation not due to the lack of brightness or not knowing our goal but due to a trust of an evil man. Currently let’s focus on what is important for the country, and try to make an ally every person who we meet on the path of FREEDOM.
Genet-orginal April 23, 2014
Dear Fetsum
I read YG’s article and your Question and comment discussion. I am reading both messages with open mind as possible.
With my limited sophistication, I think I understand what YG’s message is. We shouldn’t waste our time looking for the perfect alternative to the PFDJ/Isayas’s regime. Even though YG’s article is written in 2010 and lots of events have been happening since, there is some truth to his message. Having said that, I am not sure, how he thinks is possible to have “normalization” of a “wounded nation” to borrow, Dr Bereket Habte Selassie’s title, without some type of civil liberty? YG, gave Tunisia as having a “normal”, but oppressed society before the Arab spring. How does one define “normal or normalization” in a society? I remember, in the Tunisia”s case, what trigger the uprising was not only the Arab spring, but the young man who was a college graduate/fruit vendor, who set himself on fire on the street of Tunisia. Was Tunisia “normal” society? How can we call a society in a turmoil just beneath the surface as “normal”?
In the case of our situation, I understand YG’s concern of Eritreans, probably seeking absolute democracy without carefully thinking, how to get it is not wise. However, We don’t have to set ourselves as all or nothing. I know YG listed all the issues that need to be prioritize. Great! These priority listed by YG are essential elements of democracy. May be, we need to tailor a “Democracy” that fit our society, in the road of “normalization”. Therefore, we shouldn’t expect ready made “Democracy” post Isayas/PFDJ’s regime. I agree with Fetsum, YG’s article could be better if he updated to 2014. Thanks Fetsum for your hard work. Let us all be open minded. Thanks.
Genet
selamawit2 April 23, 2014
Dear Genet,
i too read the article yesterday after “tezarebs” advice and it was exactly the same question that came to me:
Mr. YG, which is a scientist/researcher as i read here, should know better than all of us that the leading termini of his articles need to be defined – “people” vs. “country”, “democracy” versus “normalization” etc… His article is not clean in the sense of scientifically correct.
E.g.
– For me too “democracy” is “normal” and a lot of the things he describes as aspects of “normalization” are aspects of “democracy” in it original meaning.
AND he as an educated person surely knows that democracy in a pure form is an utopia/ only an orientation we can reach more or less but never absolutely!
– “country” could also be defined as the expansion of the people(s “body”) – an extended shelter, similar to clothes ->house ->village ->country…
– And where i don’t agree at all is, when he says, the oppositions priority was the “country” not the “people”. To put it casually:
Surely HGDFs have kind of landscapes and gold mines in mind when they fight but what we all have in mind are the faces of our sisters/brothers/parents when we get engaged…The “country” as Amanuel Eyasus, Elsa Chyrums, Meron Estefanos priority and the Lives of the Eritreans as second rate????
(BTW only stereotyped thinking can summarize all these different oppositional movements this way)
What i liked is the way he describes the situation in Eritrea – very awaking even to dead brains/hearts! I too understand his message, which is saying: avoid harping on about (democratic) principles and save the lives first…This is the part i likes most!
But still he makes many conclusions that are formal logical not “clean” at all and i can not accept when say come from somebody of his caliber.
And as a human being that i am, in most parts of his article i miss something “empowering” between the lines…
I would like to accompany also in the case of Fitsum: Thank You For Your work. I too think our fight for our people should take place in different “areas” – also mentally/with brains and for those who think this word is more suitable for them: intellectually.
selamawit2 April 23, 2014
please read “i can not accept them, when they come from somebody of his caliber”
Efrem Mengisteb April 25, 2014
Great scholars! Fitsum&YG keep doing your extraordinary work in educating us to understand the root cause of our nation problem and in resolving it that may help to build sustainable society that impact on the journey to democracy after the demise of PFDJ.
Change is urgent & imminent to normaliz life and to save the nation.