Voice of Assenna: London Debate on Change needed in Eritrea – Part 2 ( Apologies for the occassional poor sound quality), Thursday, Dec 12,2014
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Mike December 13, 2014
Truly tuly – Clearly you are free to express your views. If you want to hear that kind unruly and waste of your tie Eritrean discussion – then do it. I only pointed out on the way it was handled. I took my time and heard this part one person after the other. None of them came with a plan and “to do list”. The panel gave a well rounded idea on what is needed but the audience and the moderator completely swindled it. This is not being negative – this is being honest. Then the panel became the “audience” and the audience the panel. Then it became like a market place where no now was adding anything to it.
What is worst is – The Eritrean government will be heading to bed smiling and others waiting to be free and seeking peace – left with n hope.
Here is what I have seen so fat on all opposition figures, sizes, shapes, colors…etc: love to talk and love to position themselves to power. They all like to talk and theorize and invoke several historical figures and countries. It seems like early in undergraduate school trying to figure out on what to be and to do. If these opposition figures are the one who will be leading Eritrea, if there is a new Eritrea – I am not sure! I have not thrown the towel yet but I am getting close to saying – ” no hope”.
The fact is this – Eritrea went through 30 years of war, that should have resulted on a leader but not. Then another 20-somthing years that could have resulted in real leader and that is not. I am all for discussion and sharing ideas freely – but it has to have respect and metric to show. Not just be yapping every day.
My faith has gone down by over 50% that these oppositions groups (almost all of them have aged I think) cannot think or bring forward looking ideas. I have no hop there. The only hope Dr. Vacaro is gone. This mn had said once that he does not trust Eritrean gov. they might kill him and I really believed him that thye might just do that since his movement was beginning to take traction. Sadly, God took him I suppose and he is not with us.
Now, I ask God to bring out one Daniel! One Nehemiah…just one what ever one to lead these people. In that my faith is either insider job or God to do His work.
Now, I hope those who organize leave the nonsense home and get their organization skills to such meetings. Speak clearly what is the points to discuss and to do lists. And to please please – cut out the comments and amendments and greetings that people do prior to asking the panel. People could socialize after the meeting or before the meeting. Now, this is my last “lengthy” comment ever. If you insult and accuse and point out my faults – I hear you all. I do not know any of you but if I have met these people in person – I am sure I would have spoken the same to them as well. Truth!
Assenna – stay clear of misguided programs. Participate but Stay focus. If anything – bring some Eritrean sisters (not men) that are actually working and reaching high to make Eritrean plight known to the world.
Peace to you all.
Note: There is a PR movie by Eritrean government these days out there how everything in Eritrea is wonderful! In all that the person only interviewed to the key players in the government (except one or two others) – Interestingly enough the crazy leader started speaking about “Soros” – Now he is very sick. He might need to check his head again. But then it is all our fault.
rahel December 13, 2014
VERY WELL SAID THANK YOU
WEDDI KEBESA December 14, 2014
Nothing easier and cheaper than talking for sure talking is before the act but to trans to the act must have a good base which is respect .in this debate I noted there is respect to one of an important group in Eritrea it is the same like Isiyas’s Shabia way using some individuals from this and that group just for cover to the cheating nothing else unfortunately ABDU and SULIEMAN reminding me RAMADAN MOHAMED NOUR and ALI SAID .from this debate I understand that Amaneil saying (TIGRINIA ZY FELLIT ERITRAWI I CONEN ) .
It is alright to asena to be in Tigrinia but to discuss All Eritrean issue in debate it is not fair ,because all want and need to understand so please do not repeat the same mistakes .the base of Eritrean problem solution is recognising in every level the mistakes done and to do not honestly .
a bout change in Eritrea is rare and is deference than other countries
Robi December 14, 2014
Hi Asena,tsibuk mktae ab guday Hagerna eritrea ekum asmiekumina,keytekataeka zmetsie hbiayo hibiayo guday n Eritrawuyan aytekemenan kdmi hji,n Wedi Medhin Berad sltan khbwo kelewu tegadelti kulu n hzbi guluts ayneberen anti gize eti nay 1994 Shiu hzbi tetezarebe teketkitun tetserifun eyu b tegadelti gele kabiu Suk bel gebar tembar entay aflitika elkumo ekum gn Hzbi aynu Ayni arat eyu wedi Medhin Berad seraki hizkumo Asmera kemziatekum buzuhat abotatina astewuelomulu nerom eyom gn kulukum tegadelti tegagikum ekum anti Shiu gize zereban hzbkum semiekumo nerkum entetkonu ezi kulu meat nab Hzbina weridu zelo zeskahkih aymswereden, hji keman kab gega nay Zhalefe knmehar alena sltan nay hzbi eyu zmeretso kea ab baito Wey parlama kemzkerib yhatsyo ember babaya ede waninu sltan khiz zfitin ktsifae alewo be zeynhsya,guday Hgdef kea Beal Wedi Medhin Berad b haili entezeykoinu be selam sltanom khadgu eyom Wey tsigenawi lewuti kgber ykeal eyu mbal ms mendek mgchaw eyu, nfto ntsilae ezi getimina zelo tsegem nay Wedi Medhin Berad nay gdin bulutsat wagatata meswaeti yhabena alo, lkie eyu 1 eritrawi kmotena ayndelin ena gn ms Beal men ena kngetimin knzerarebin? Ezom be shrmutinan kedame senbet be whisky zhtsebu zelewu azabie Hgdef plus ab dege zelewu korakurom Beal Grma Asmerom,tesfamicael gerahtu,zemede tekle ybeliun ysetyun sle zelewu guday eritrea wala nab gedel tsedfi tieto ziajbom aykonen, nezi knkaleso tekoina hanti hayal etkin serawitin tedlyena ala neziom tchifchif wala nezom ab dege koinom tekawemti ena wudib alena endabele emo kea dekom nab collage and University endasededu be shigur hzbi Eritrea kumar zkameru zelewu keman kwukiu alewom beza ahadu,Beti tejemiru zelo nay Washington dc akeba nay muhuratina n kulom wudubat nab hade alama n mimitsae zeykerbu tekoinom kzbetu alewom mknyatu alamiom shigir eritrea mftah zeykones ab enkilalo gudayat endaatewu tsegem Hzbina ab mgdad yhgzu sle zelewu kchifchefu alewom, eti wugue hadhid keyleal zbehal n ametat kemiu tebahilu gn kabiu n laeli wag nkefil alena,ab Sinai,sehara,bahri,ab wushti hager kea maeley zeyblom esurat mealtawi ymasnun yhakun alewu,slezis ane zsemamialu ms Amanual eye gonets Wey haili keytehaweso Harnetina kregagest aykielin eyu.Nay gdin tewedadibina kngetimo alena bzeynhsya zereba tray zftah entezkewun G15 msfethwo nerom.Thanks.
Geje December 14, 2014
Eritrea’s problem is not Hgdef or Issaias because both of these were products of Ghedli born of deep seated identity crisis after the Italian colonization.
For now, lets see some of these identity crisis:
Think about how the Eritrean sewra started: a number of Muslim elite congregated in Cairo, the hotbed of pan-Arabism, Islamism and Gamalism at that time, and decided to start a revolution inspired by these alien -isms. Then they assigned the task to a notorious former shifta, who not only had fought hard to reinstate Fascist Italy long after the Italian army surrendered, [5] but also had been assaulting native Eritreans for years after that. What is more, those elites initially provided Awate with a fighting force almost entirely composed of Sudanese police/soldiers with transnational identities. And to make matters worse, the Muslim elite declared that Arabic would be the national language of the country; of course, at the expense of their mother tongues.
And in its course of its 20-years long mieda life, predictably Jebha’s inspiration came entirely from the Arab world. It starts from the very term, “sewra”, one that was originally created in the Arab world to be applied within the context of Arab nationalism only, where the revolution conducted had to necessarily be against a non-Arab occupier. [6] And when Jebha became socialist-oriented, it had to come in its Arab grab as Baathism; and at its pluralistic best, it had to seek guidance from the “Algerian experience” to flirt with “regional autonomy” of the mieda type when it briefly divided itself into five regional fighting forces. That is, for Jebha, it was impossible to imagine anything outside the Arab world; its world view was entirely informed by Arabism. That is why even the internationalist elements that inspired many third-world revolutions during that era had to be Arabized first before they could be digested by Jebha Arabists.
If so, why is it that none of the nationalists (hagerawyan) ever added up all this Arab elements and then seriously doubted the “Eritrean identity” of Jebha? This is, indeed, very strange given that Eritrean nationalists have prided themselves with the fact that theirs is a genuine self-reliant revolution conducted by dekebat. What explains this odd phenomenon?
There is a simple answer to the above raised question: the measure of “Eritrean identity” has always been how much one is willing to renounce (or “sacrifice”) one’s own, both in terms of one’s own heritage and one’s own people, for the sake of the elite’s “Eritrea”. Notice that this is a strange kind of sacrifice, for it asks one to sacrifice nothing less than the real Eritrea for an alien one that the elite wanted to construct. When pushed to its logical end, this would mean that at its sacrificial most, one has to be willing to “sacrifice” one’s identity for the sake of that alien “Eritrea”!
To grasp the severity of this disowning phenomenon, try to imagine this impossible scenario: a Tigre-speaking Muslim elite loudly entertaining of having Tigre (alongside Tigrigna) as a national language. He would be immediately branded as a traitor to the Eritrean cause, as the Muslim elite saw it then and see it now, for it would derail their colonial aspiration (under its Arab grab). That means that he had to disown his mother tongue if he was to be accepted as a true Eritrean by his fellow elite. Or, if we put it in the language of the culture of martyrdom, he had to be willing to “sacrifice” his mother tongue if he wanted to see the kind of alien “Eritrean identity” that the Muslim elite wanted to construct come into fruition. …
Geje December 14, 2014
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In fact, there is a vivid example from Jebha’s past that depicts how far the Muslim elite were willing to disown their own in order to embrace the “Arab heritage”: they burned all books written in Tigre at mieda! If this evokes the image of the medieval world where books of “heresy” were burned, it is because the very idea of writing books in Tigre was taken as heretic to the Arab project! The fear was that if Tigre-speaking masses began to read and write in their language, they might not be willing to give it up for an alien language, thus derailing the Arab colonial aspiration of their elite. Even the idea of Tigre as a written language coexisting with Arabic was too threatening to the Arabists; they thought that this coexistence would only come at the expense of the hegemony of Arabic. According to them, talking in their mother tongues won’t take them far enough from the habesha world they wanted to distance themselves from; that is, languages like Tigre (for the Tigre-speaking Muslim elite) and Tigrigna (for the Tigrigna-speaking Muslims) were and still are too close for comfort. That this linguistic disowning also afflicts the Kebessa elite can be seen from asking this question: why is it seeking such blatantly alien language as Arabic is not seen as un-Eritrean, while a Tigrigna spoken with an accent becomes an immediate suspect amongst them?
Now, to this linguistic distancing, if we include all the Arab elements mentioned above, we can see why Jebha’s authenticity as a genuine Eritrean movement was never put into doubt. To the contrary, the more it sought its colonial “Arab heritage”, the more Eritrean it became, simply because by doing that it was traversing the longest distance possible from the dreaded point of departure.
Delai Fithi December 14, 2014
Geje,
I think your point is that Eritrea is a country with “identity crisis”. My simple answer to that is, so what? There are very few countries in the world that can claim homogeneity or cohesive identity. Save for Japan, Korea and some others. Our immediate neighbor to the south is plagued by identity crisis. Does Ethiopia really mean the same thing to the Oromo, Ogadeni, the Afar, the Anuak, the Amhara, the Tigreans, the Wolayta etc.? Certainly not.
Go to Europe and look at countries like Britain, Spain etc. Scotland almost seceded recently. Catalonia and the Basque country have never been comfortable with a Spanish identity. So there is nothing earth shattering about your account Geje. Nationalism is a slippery slope and is not exactly known for being consistent. How countries become countries is largely arbitrary and accidental.
Whether we suffer from identity crisis, whether some of us feel Arab, whether the Kebessa people are picky about which Tigrinya accent is authentic is besides the point. I am certain that even within Tigray, you will find competition about which Tigrinya accent (Adowa, Enderta, Awaraga Agame etc) is more authentic. Geje, this is called the human condition. Even neighbors and family members compete. Welcome to reality. For whatever reason, Eritreans have with all their disagreements chosen to become a political community with a stake on what we have come to know as Eritrea. Gebito? The issue at hand is how to make this arrangement as optimal as possible. How to move forward in spite of our “identity crisis” and “psychological anxieties” etc.?
WEDDI KEBESA December 15, 2014
Jeje
All your comments are mentioned that you are (SIDDI) and your ancestors are use to believe that HAILE SILLASSE is God and the same mental disease to you and made you to be in an unstable situation and racist in 21st century .you are evil flowing evil .
assenna December 14, 2014
Geje,
You need to comment on the issue discussed.
Mike December 14, 2014
Geje’s comment might need time other time although my head hurts I could manage.
What is not healthy comment and in needs of some lengthy treatment is Dani’s.
Dani’s comment is repugnant! Simply filthy! I wish assenna had some filter in place or ultimatum option.
oromay December 17, 2014
ነብሱ ይምሓር ኪሮስ ኣለማዮ ።።”ኣንታ ሰብ’ዶ የለይ። ።።።” በለ፡ ሕጂ ድማ ተመኩሮን ትምህርትን ዝበሰሉ የብላን ድያ እዛ ሃገር! ይገርመና’ሎ፡ ትሕዝቶ ዘይብሉ ክትዕ ናይ ደቡብ ኣፍሪቓ፡ዒራቕ፡ ቱኒዝያ፡ ሊብያ፡ሶርያ፡ግብጺ ወዘተርፈ ብቓላት ምጽዋት ጥፍ ኣት ሃገርን ስቓይ ህዝብን ንምንዋሕ እዩ ዝመስል። ኣብ ፍጹም ስርዓተ ጫካ ብሓደ መፍትሕ ውልቀ ሰብ ዚዝወር ቅርጺ ዘይብሉ ስርዓት ሃገር ናብ ንእሽቶይ ናይ ብሕቲ ገዛ ተቐይራትሉ ዘላ ህሞት ናይ ማህተማ ጋንዲ ቅዲ እዩ ዘድሊ መታን እቲ ግዜ ዝጠልሞ ዘሎ ትንፋስ ክልቅብ! ሃሃሃ! ድቂስኩም ዲኹም ነርኩም እቶም G13,G11 ጽገናዊ ለውጢ ክሓቱ ከለዉ? እንቓቖሖ እንተተሰይራ ከመይ ገይርካ ትጽግና እስከ ንገሩና! ለውጢ ብናታትኩምን ብጾትኩምን( መድረኽ፡ EPDP,EYGS) ምሕጽንታ ደው ዝብል ኣይኮነን ዘይተርፍ እዩ ናይ ባዕሉ መስርሕ ስለዘለዎ:: ናይ ኣማኑኤል ክትዓ ኣብ ባይታ ዘሎ ሓቒ ቑልጭ ኣቢሉ ዘረኢ እዩ። ምናልባት እንተተሰቖሮም ንሓቂ ዝኽሕዱ where is the evidence ዝብሉ ካብ ብዙሕ ንጭልፋ ወስ ክንብሎም። ማይን መብራህትን ምኽላእ፥ንሽማግለታት ብረት ከም ባኒ ዓዲልካ ሓልውኒ፥ ኣዋልድን ሰብ ሓድርን እናባዕለግካ ደቓሉ ምውላድ፡ ንደምሒት ክቡር ዘብዐኛ ምግባር፥ ተምሃሮ ኣዋልድ ኣብ ጸምጸም በረኻ ባሮት ዕሱባት ምግባር፡ መንእሰያት ኣሸሓት እናኽፈልካ ኣብ ጸሊም ዕዳጋ ንሞት ምሻጥ፥ መልሓስ ፍጡር ምቑርጽ። ንሕጻናትን ኣመንትን ኣብ ጸልማት ጎዳጉዲ ኣብ ሽንትን ቀልቀልን እናንከላሎኻ ብዕጸቦ ከምዝሞቱ ምግባር፡ ኣብ ባሕርን ሰሃራን ሰብ እናሞተ በሃይበሎ ዳብከራ ምግባር፡ ንውጻእ። መዓት ናይ ቑጠባ ስደተኛታት እዮም እናበልካ ሰነዶም ምጽያቕ። ካብ ቤተክርስትያን መባእ ምስራቕ። መጽሓተ ቕዱሳን ። ማዕተብ መስቀል ምጭፍላቕ።ጉቦን ምጥፍፋእን ስኽራንን ሓሶትን ጎይላን ምርባሕ። ጸሊም ዕዳጋን ቕጥፈትን ምዝርጋሕ። ወዘተ ወዘተ