The struggle for unified resistance against dictatorship
The struggle for unified resistance against dictatorship By Fetsum Abraham//5/21/03 I dedicate this material to Ato Weldeab Weldemarian and Shek Ibrahim Sultan, the founding fathers of our unity who prioritized their Eritrean identity to their ethnicities and
The struggle for unified resistance against dictatorship
By Fetsum Abraham//5/21/03
I dedicate this material to Ato Weldeab Weldemarian and Shek Ibrahim Sultan, the founding fathers of our unity who prioritized their Eritrean identity to their ethnicities and religions, to install a unified struggle for the Eritrean independence. They practically left us the only means of social success through diversified unity that carried us all the way to independence and that SHOULD further take us to our freedom from dictatorship. Our struggle for independence followed their legacy to succeed and we should use it to earn our freedom. We don’t deserve freedom unless we love each other and united since division and ANNENET contradict the concept of freedom. We did not choose our ethnicities and religions after all; they are imposed on us out of our control. We are destined to be Eritreans and we should maximize our role to positively affect that desperate society without any attachment to our ethnicities and religions, which will die with our flesh few years ahead.
From the FORUM: It seems like my last article provoked an academic discussion especially between brothers Adhanom and Petros and I appreciate their intense involvement in the forum. I found the following transparent exchange of ideas important to the current priority at hand and enjoy it.
Petros: “Dear Fistum, With all honesty, I don’t understand what the entire article is all about & and please elaborate what Unconditional Unity means to you and to the readers as well…”
Adhanom: ” Dear Petros, I think the article is very clear and instructive if we are able to read slowly and carefully. On my side, the core message of his article is explicit as crystal shell: We cannot be DEMOCRATS if we are not democratic in action, because true democracy is not a word or a normal codification. Even the ruling party in Eritrea, PFDJ has enshrined the concept of democracy calling his party People’s Front for DEMOCRACY and Justice, but in practice they are not democratic front. We must respect the ethnic, cultural and religious diversity of Eritrea; and the future democratic and constitutional Eritrea must protect their rights. However, if we want to reach that level, what can we do? Struggling with UNITY OR FRAGMENTATION? I do believe that UNITY IS POWER FOR SWIFT CHANGE destroying division, hatred, envy, mistrust and conspiracy among ourselves.”
Me: How unclear can the self-descriptive precise expression “unconditional unity” be for one to philosophize on? There is no room for philosophy on the definite science “unconditional unity” and the backward Eritrean style of affirmation with negation or the vise versa by means of “if or but” does not apply here. “Unconditional unity” cannot accommodate if or but because doing so changes it to the opposite “conditional unity”. The question is: are you for transitional government which requires unconditional unity or not? If the answer is yes, do not contradict your position by injecting if or but to the narrative: accept it fully and move on. What I mean is that 2+2=4 is a definite science that does not require philosophical analysis and so is “unconditional unity”, a scientific phenomenon that does not accommodate philosophy. The answer for “are you for unconditional unity?” is either yes or no and it stops there. If the first, you are for transitional government in post-Afwerki Eritrea and if the second, you are not. In so saying, conditional unity is far away from our immediate priority because it ought procedurally take place in post-Afwerki Eritrea under a transitional government where political parties harmonically diverge out of the unconditional unity that gets them there. The Constitution allows the harmonic diversion or conditional diversion of the forces into different political parties that guarantees the collective unity of every citizen in defense of the motherland in any emergency situations like how the Democratic and Republican parties function as Americans in the US.
No self nominated party or group can dominate others without breaching the essence of democracy in our situation. All parties should be looked at equally in view of the society and none of them should be respected more than another in the category because this is the requirement for uniting forces towards TRANSITIONAL GOVERNMENT. I think brother Petros is a member of one of them, which is good, unfortunately I cannot at this point consider his PARTY OR ORGANIZATION as different from the others in the resistance, if that is the case. The process of our independence required unconditional unity to succeed and that of our freedom and democracy requires unconditional unity of all forces to succeed. Similar to there was no other way to independence except unconditional unity, there is no exit for the Eritrean government from implementing the CONSTITUTION, so is there no exist for any individual or group in the opposite camp from UNCINDITIONAL UNITY towards a TRANSITIONAL GOVERNMENT.
In so stating, this postulate mathematically and conceptually equalizes the dictator and the fake individuals or groups in the category in view of democracy, meaning that an anti unity group or individual (at this critical moment) is as good a dictator as ours in Asmara. Petros has showed how well informed he was on similar issues elsewhere but they are all insignificant in so far as justifying the mentality of few anti-unity Eritreans is concerned, again at this moment in our history. Every individual society is unique in some ways and we should deal with ours properly, irrespective of what happened in other societies of the world. Therefore, no analysis or philosophy is necessary to unite and form a transitional government in Eritrea for this is not a new experience for us Eritreans who were as united as concrete in our journey for independence and through out our historically peaceful coexistence. It worked then and there is no reason why it cannot work today.
Petros on Sanction: “the punishment is going beyond the intended target, and it has the potential to harm the average Eritrean”
Kalighe: “Dear brother Petros; What exactly are you proposing so that sanctions do not harm the average Eritrean? Do you think there is a way to reach the people without putting the money in the hands of the brutal regime? or you want the sanctions to be lifted because it s harming the people ?. Can you please elaborate on this .. ?
Petros: Dear brother Kalighe, I am hoping the experts will engage intensely on finding a way to protect the citizen of Eritrea, and the nation in transition period, & as the current trend stands, I see a disadvantaged Eritrea, since no one is trying to stop Ethiopia’s open and often undetected violations, here I am referring Eritrea as a country, &. Sanctions and embargos can go very wrong -if for some reason one side is fully equipped, while the other is not. However I would suggest the involvement of more regional & International neutral actors in the Eritrean & Ethiopian affairs, & this kind of approach should halt the potential crisis from harming the innocent citizens of Eritrea, and the nation at large, & and also it will be able to maintain it s peace and stability in one hand, and it will force the tyrant to change its ways,
Me: We need to fight back with all means of fight including Sanction to change our situation. Petros’s point is clear in that Eritrea should not be restricted from arming itself when Ethiopia is allowed to do the opposite. Well, the solution for getting out of the Sanction is at the court of Mr. Afwerki who has so far refused peaceful coexistence with all of us in the region. The choices are limited and precise here:
A) The regime cannot refuse peaceful coexistence with its neighbor (by refusing dialogue) and request lifting the SANCTION simultaneously. The regime’s homework in this regard is accepting dialogue for peace with Ethiopia or continue under Sanction because you cannot let a party that refuses to dialogue for peace arm itself for a potential war that its defiance may cause ahead.
B) The regime cannot refuse peaceful coexistence with its people (through absolute dictatorship) and request lifting the SANCTION concurrently. The regime’s minimum homework in this regard is implementing the Constitution.
C) Neither can it expect to get rid of the SANCTION by being the only country in the world that does not recognize the democratically elected Somalian government. Its refusal to recognize this legitimate government contrary to all nations in the world implies its active infatuation with the Al-Shabab at least spiritually if not materially (because of the Sanction). The sanction was mainly imposed because of Afwerki’s passionate attachment to the terrorist Al-Shabab and he has not changed his attitude yet and the proof is clear. He needs to recognize the Somalian government and stay away from his Al-Shabab for good in this regard to get out of the Sanction. I don’t think the IGAD will accept vigilant Eritrea before it recognizes the government of a member state Somalia, either, and it should not.
As for “the involvement of more regional & International neutral actors in the Eritrean & Ethiopian affairs” in order to avoid “worsening the situation of our people” theory, we need to first understand that our people are mostly dependent on their loved ones in Diaspora. The Diaspora is running the society’s economic survival, NOT THE REGIME. Therefore the Sanction as witnesses to date has no critical effect on the society’s survival.
An important point to share here is that there has already been a neutral International involvement from the onset and still on the go (the UN, AU, EU, IGAD, Journalists without Boarders, International Humanitarian groups, etc) and I have no idea how much more neutral involvement you are visualizing for this project. The regime did not change its nature with all the pressures applied internationally from neutral forces and I cannot see what else the international community is supposed to do here.
Petros Haile: Fistum, I just re read your article, since this particular writing is full of contradictions, and I may add, it defies logic and common sense … In one hand you totally destroy the ethnic and religious element, as if there is notomorrow, few sentence further, you talk about “unconditional Unity”, and at the beginning you seem to encourage by their past resistance record ..
Comment: There is no contradiction on the phrasing you cited and let me tell you why. My message clearly states that it is now necessary for any group affiliated with any sociopolitical or theological philosophy to accept unity as an equal member with equal significance to all others under an umbrella. Whatever they want to do with their ethnic or religious drive is their own business that should not concern the people at this moment in our historical situation. They have the right to be organized in their terms on their own but they should keep it within themselves for now because it would be premature otherwise. The moment is for unconditional unity not for accommodating their issues, which should take place in Post-Afwerki Eritrea under a transitional government through well-defined articles in an all-inclusive Constitution. If they cannot wait till then, the people have no choice except sidelining them by popular demand (the Diaspora, civic groups and other parties that may be genuinely working for a transitional government in the country).
My opinion on the so-called leaders that base their “struggle” on religion and ethnicity remains intact. They are opportunists that would first destroy their community in the process of using it to destroy other communities for their political power. These individuals would not hesitate selling their own community for power and money and should be rejected.
Petros: “… and of course, the tittle itself is scary, you seem to give us an ultimatum “Take it or leave it” … I wander if the little Issayas is on the making?
Response: I have no power to give the people an ultimatum but TRANSITIONAL GOVERNMNENT still remains to be the only road to democratic Eritrea. If you feel this pressure as something dictatorial, there is nothing I can do about it but the individuals who resist equality under a united front should rather be classified as “little Issayas” for there is no genuine reason for them to reject unity without aiming at political power without democratic process. Refusing to unite at this point in the journey is equivalent to being “little Isaias’ in my understanding. Truth, however, scares and hurts those who do not take it without contemplation: it should not scare if you are for real!!!
Petros: “Fistum, Call it Transitional or full fledged, or give it any other fancy name, The bottom line is the divided opposition has to come out clean from the dependent status, and must give up the Armed struggle strategy, or forcefully disarm by their host country, if regional crisis is to be avoided… This ought to be done before you begin the exploratory stage for Transitional Government discussions …”
Answer: I do not understand the “coming out clean” stuff and if I slightly do, they could not do it as of today. Therefore, a united CIVIC society in Diaspora should pressurize for whatever the phrasing implies. It is the absence of such a force in the struggle that is delaying the process of unification. Coming out clean is their business but imposing pressure to comply with the process of democracy, REJECTING THEM otherwise is our business. We cannot make their “coming out clean” a condition for unity and neither can we wait for them to do what you suggest but we can stand on our grounds and fight for the correct procedure to democracy. So does the logic apply to the armed units in the resistance: we can heavily dictate terms here challenging any force including Ethiopian tendency to arm some of them if we take care of our business of unification first. Our strength can neutralize Ethiopian involvement through intellectual confrontation backed by a solid Diaspora unity. Said involvement is therefore a derivative of our division that can only be reversed by our unconditional unity.
Adhanom: “Do the political strategies and agenda that the opposition parties have used bring change; and do they save our nation and our people? If the existing strategies are not working, what manners do you, Mr. Petros, think workable for Eritrea to speed up the process of liberation?”
Petros: “This is a sensible question, at least you are coming out of your box & Again, the previous conferences held in Ethiopia has not produced the desired results, partly, due to the controlled and managed of the few organizers who were close affiliates to the Woyane cliques, and that is why you see many policies and political declarations that are very similar to that of the Ethiopian government positions, including the Ethnic Federalism position taken by EDA, & don’t take me wrong I am not opposing the idea of Ethnic Federalism, I just want to show you the controlling and managing aspect of the host nation, not to mention the arming the insurgents to launch an attack , As Fistum often talks about the emerging Somali government and the potential for democratic rule, although they still have a long way to go , & but I think, we can learn a lot from them, from the relative democracy and transitional government in Somalia & It came about when various factions aggressively participated in challenging every aspect of Somali’s political power and social order & It involved from the regional warlords, religious based groups, to that of the concerted effort of regional and international power brokers & In fact Ethiopia wised up after so many attempted & failed occupation, often unilaterally, to push for regional and international forces to involve in the Somalian affairs, including the many attempts of conferences held in Ethiopia and Kenya & Mainly these two nations proved to be dis-honest brokers to be allowed to mediate on internal Somalian affairs & finally, Djibouti was chosen to be a half way decent, and best situated place to form the transitional government in exile & Once this transitional government was formed, and the question of the national army was entertained, and as the regional and international organizational mandate allows it, the Somalian army was on the making, with the help of Uganda, Burundi and on occasion Ethiopia &. As you can see where I am going on this one, not necessary a carbon copy, but similar approach can be applied on Eritrean case, but again this is just a suggestion, it can be elaborated and may even be totally different proposal drafted by our intellectuals and experts.”
Comment: Great information from brother Petros on Somalian democracy that we can learn from as he suggests. His teaching clearly tells that there is a solution that can follow the Somalian prototype for successful democratic government in the country.
Adhanom: “Mr. Festum insisted: What is our prior national agenda? Is it uniting our efforts, minds and resources to save the nation removing the autocratic regime? Or factorizing the meager human and materials resources into sub national issues prioritizing the interest of a particular groups occupied by region,religion and ethnic tendencies? We must respect the ethnic, cultural and religious diversity of Eritrea; and the future democratic and constitutional Eritrea must protect their rights. However, if we want to reach that level, what can we do? Struggling with UNITY OR FRAGMENTATION? “
Petros: Petros detailed more on this subject and you can see it from his post related to the previous article, then said “ Your priority is messed up, these ethnic and religious groups are demanding, and you are telling us the future constitution will guarantee their rights ? That is not only condescending to these movements but very unrealistic, This kind of short sited political behavior will not take you any where”
Me: What else should protect them and all of us for that matter then except the future constitution of the country? I believe Adhanom’s view is realistic and the only solution for the subject on discussion. Genuine equality of all citizens guaranteed by the Constitution is the only medium of unity and respect for any ethnic or religious affiliated individuals in our diverse society. Any missing genuine concerns of any ethnic or religious group can be accommodated in the constitution through AMENDMENTS. What else can a diverse society do to equalize all its members beside this procedure? Is not this how diverse societies harmonize the relationship of their diversified members all over the world?
Adhanom: “ History confirms that this kind of sentiment or approach was/is destructive rather than constructive. In fact this can be best justified by the history of armed struggle, and the existing post independence political development which has produced nothing except hatred, mistrust, tension and division.”
Petros: “I DISAGREE ! If we agree to the need and the legitimate reason for ethnic or religious groups to resist and challenge their oppressors, & then this could be a good start for you and me to begin talking about how to solve the problem, or even better to discuss if there is an oppression on the basis of ethnic & religion exist, &.. However, I don’t think you are denying the practices of deliberate or unintended practices of discrimination, or disadvantaged past to the Eritrea’s ethnic or religious communities, including the indiscriminate oppression towards the people of Eritrea in general, & Although you seem to focus more on the negative symptoms, and the methods of the sectarian form of resistance, while you totally negate the reason why these sectarian movements resort to choose their preferred ways of struggle, & To be honest with you, if you don’t recognize the historical and current practices of the Eritrean reality, & there is no room for the sectarian groups to compromise, let alone to reconcile on the national agendas & Dear Adhanom, once you come out of your captive and exclusionary mentality, then , only then together we can carve a common strategy, in which an army of ethnic, religious or even secular based armed resistance no longer necessary & I strogly recommend you to read the series of Ahmed Raji, and other Eritrean intellectuals well researched documents & You may be able to see Eritrea, and the question of self determination from a different perspective, I am hoping ?
Me: Although our society has relatively lived peacefully with all its diversions for ages and that our struggle for independence was the result of collective resistance of the people, there is no doubt that we have narrow minded people that accentuate division and discrimination in our society. This is, however, normal to any diversified society on the planet including the US. Genuine nationalism and education will certainly minimize the problem but it is impossible to put everyone in the society in the same frame of thinking: you can not force a hater to a lover. The Law takes care of any adverse action against any citizen based on ethnicity or religion and that is what we need to live together peacefully. We cannot change a person’s concept of existence but we can lawfully control one’s drive to hurt another based on the concept. We, however, need to investigate the society thoroughly as Petros indicated for all mishaps on the subject matter within our society and academically challenge it/them directly to be effective.
Adhanom: “It is not the real time to entertain with different models of political governance that can be developed through time determined by level of economy, political maturity, technological advancement, eional distribution, social cohesion, and enhancement of justice system.”
Petros: “I DISAGREE ! You are dead wrong again, How could you be able to rule a country with out a political system, To develop a policy, to manage and administer, to enhance the bureaucracy or various institutions, political direction and its commands are vital, in fact they cannot do with out & and you go figure, the role of political parties !”
Comment: In a democratic society, political parties are entitled to develop their national program (policies based on economy, foreign policy, social issues etc.) and compete with each other on them in view of the public. The political direction of the parties basically is limited to the differences they may have on their program to advance the nation forward by which they may win elections by convincing the public on. Entertaining a political model for future application within the principles of democracy is okay at this point in the Eritrean experience for those who focus to lead the nation ahead. This entertainment, however, should stay contained within the ambitious parties until the time comes for exposure during the period of democratic election after the transitional period is exhausted. I do not think Adhanom is wrong here as Petros indicated and I tend to agree with him completely.
I love you all and let us stick together without hesitation to save our society from hell!!
ogbai May 21, 2013
Mr Fetzum your are a good teacher regardless those who who sold thier souland mind for a mire DIA the dictatr that his removal for m his position by whatever means is only the answer.Keep the good work lets try to bring our oppsition groups to united fronts by talking and good reasonning.
Salim May 21, 2013
“lets try to bring our oppsition groups to united fronts by talking and good reasonning. ”
We know you are Woyane.
Salim May 21, 2013
“Wey shekortet, abiet Inkilalo!
Mr. Mighty,
So, you too suffer from lack of focus, don’t you? Or perhaps you are naturally twisted. In any case, just to remind you, we started with the two points of your previous comment. Very focused as I am, and detail oriented as I am, addressed them religiously, so to speak. And what did you do? You just went into this frenzy hallucinating and ጠራዕራዕ (oops, I know few people who love SHEKORTET AND ጠራዕራዕ – but no names, ok?) – which, I take is a typical character of the cheat and one who is used to lying and deceiving (Woyanie style). And you ignored or forgot your starting point and ended up with million point list containing unrelated stuff. ”
Asmara2 is brilliant.
MightyEmbasoyra May 21, 2013
Salim,
Asmara2 is brilliant? Please. I thought you are smarter than that.
belay nega May 22, 2013
MightyEmbasoira
“1) Who started the war? Your big boss (please stop saying President because no one elected him). What do you say to that? Why didn’t you confront him on why he started the war while he was telling us here in the wes otherwise?”
The war effectively was started by Ethiopian gov,and officially by us.
If we address ADHANOM as an ambassador, there is nothing wrong calling ESAYAS president, as he is who appoints ambassadors
Like in my case I feel more comfortable when I say P.E.A, P.M MELES……ETC
MightyEmbasoyra May 22, 2013
Belay,
I agree on two counts with you.
“The war effectively was started by Ethiopian gov,and officially by us.” True, but technically what it counts is who started it?
“If we address ADHANOM as an ambassador, there is nothing wrong calling ESAYAS president”
True again. However, I neither call the so called ambassadors as ambassadors nor isayas as president.
I have to admit, your logic is valid
populare May 25, 2013
belay nega
Hope-full is known that better than hopeless. I am an Eritrean origin but my ancestors may be from Sudan or Tigray. But for a single period of time I am not considering myself as unique generation or breed. Please Tuuf belo¨ such sentiments for the sake of our GOD. And you have to judge yourself free from ‘HGdef and weyane’. Because both of them they have a lot of good and bad history.
Are you happy the celebration and dancing on the fake independence day with empty stomach and the fake articulated of ERITV, programs. I am very sad on this occasion and it is very clear you can read from all the participants of the day starting from Keren, Mendefera, Barentu, Massawa and Asmara. No more new things except weyane, tselaeti, america,bdoho and mekete it is customer thought of 13 months of crises without any progressive solution. we have to bring new ideas and concepts that could lead the new generation for peace and development. telling bad and forged history based on the past 70 old history is the worst approach to twist the genuine mind of youngster in the nation. Be fast and be progressive and finally thanks for your comment in what so ever, because we are brothers and politics is the typical game of dictator and gamblers on the life of society.
Be yourself
God bless Ethiopia-Eritrea/
Petros Haile May 22, 2013
Dear Fistum … (Its apple and orange) , The political resistance of the federation era was purely against a foreign force where a minimum unifying grounds was necessary …. Ato Woldeab and Shek Ibrahim unified their struggle in defense of a foreign hostile involvement, in fact they clearly identified it as the “independence block” , there was no ideological differences except to be free from the Ethiopian threat, and the British partition plan , however on today’s crisis it is a little more complicated, for one thing it is a host of issues that requires heavy emphasis with the civil rights, and how to manage diverse conflicting local interest with in the confines of Eritrean soverngity … a simplistic formula of lets love each other, would not do it … This does not mean Ato Woldeab & Shek Ibrahim were not a wise leaders, indeed they were exceptional leaders for their time , however the current dilemma requires a different strategy since it encompasses the rights of the citizens interest from all angels …and there is no forign element to blame !
On the 1940′ & 50’s it was more or less seeking a homeland preceding decolonization process, that unfortunately twisted and exceptional transitional process was granted to what was known as the “disposal of Eritrea”, wrong choice words, but that’s how it was known, This exceptional preceedings was due to the Emperors skillful claims and it’s international backings…
This was the motivating factor for the two great heroes to come together and stand for the common cause … don’t forget the disposal of Eritrea was discussed twice at the united nations, and many times with the British administrators, the U.S & the European counter parts … and the agendas includes the partition of Eritrea between Sudan and Ethiopia. The random observation conducted in Eritrea indicated a major rift in attitude and choices by the pro independence and unity with Ethiopia groups, purely on the basis of religion, region and ethnicity ….At that time our visionary leaders kept it together … this is what the art of diplomacy and far sighted leaders can be able to do , imagine if today’s Fistum try to tell Ato Woldeab and Shek Ibrahim Sultan not to organize themselves on the basis of their religion or ethnicity … that is what I call wisdom by the two pioneers of the colonial era , …
Brother Fistum, please don’t forget we were given a highly conditional deal, when our constitution was drafted by U.N representative; to accommodate the diverse cultural setting of Eritrea, and the heavy emphasis of the Tigringna, christian , and highlanders of Ethiopia, in which they found sympathetic ear from the Eritrean highlanders as well … our flag was given by the U.N, and our official language was considered to include both Tigringna and Arabic , The federal arrangement was a go between Ethiopia’s and Eritrea’s wishes and demands, including the U.S strategic interest , not to mention the Eritrean assembly, it was a compromised and conditional offer after carefully studied the interest of the various factions … by the way the independece blocks were composed of many parties, and the liberal party, led by Ato Woldeab, and the Islamic league by Ibrahim Sultan were among the five or six that constitute the block …. here the process was conditional, the application was a give and take, and the composition were very diverse … as you assume it was not a sham and unconditional unity, in fact the sham unity was advanced by the “Mahber Andenet” proponents, who again clearly advocate the sham unity with Ethiopia, on the basis of historical, which was highly exclusive of the low land Eritreans, also the religious and ethnic compositions as well, in short for the better or worse the Eritrean federation era sectarian gatherings and political parties played a constructive role in producing the short leave federal agreements of the the 1940’s and 50’s … it has the art of inclusion, and process of coalition making on all fronts … Imagine if there was an armed insurgents movement exists at that time, it would have complicated the whole process ….
Dear Fistum … Who opposes democracy or for that matter Unity, I am just saying the unconditional part is misplaced, and it seems you are using it for a very populist propaganda to woo the unenlightened segment, and for the purpose of public consumptions, normally a public speaker uses such a language to impress upon its constituents, hoping to vote for him/her … but when it comes to the real deal, it requires a great deal of compromising and give and takes, even a coalition makings …. I am having a very difficult time distinguishing the slogan’s you guys often use from that of PFDJ, in fact I can go further , as DERG used to declare “Enat Hager woy Mot”, or the Emperor ‘s “Ethiopia woy Mot”, and yours as well “Unity or Fragmentation”, I sincerely believe we should see things beyond the untimely and superficially designed catchy slogans … This Black and White approach can easily slide into rigidity, and eventually to a highly antagonistic conflicts, not to mention, it is too simplistic, even for scholarly debate … Just like you painted a rosy picture towards democratic concepts, the same is with “Unity”, in fact the favorite slogan for pfdj til recently was “One Nation, One heart & One destiny”, isn’t this the same as “unconditional unity”, and look where it takes our beloved nation, unless you come up with a clearly distinguished definition and characterization of these over used and demagogic sound bites, no one would take you seriously, just like I mentioned it above , in the name of Unity many crimes were committed, specially as you are proposing “the unconditional Unity”, which is vague in theory, very scary in applications … God save us from the advocates of the unknown !!!
Fisum… Here I feel I am in a court room, listening to one of the president’s Bush’s speech, often makes him look stupid (Are you with us, Or Are are you with the enemy” …. let me give you a simple answer, and may be you will think about it next time before you pretend you submitted a wise idea … the statement you just made is a contradiction in terms … “are you for transitional government which requires unconditional unity” by its very nature a transitional governments requires all kinds of preconditions before you reach the level of unity … I am not sure if you are borrowing the term (unconditional) from the Ethiopian PM … which he did not go as far as reaching a unified position on any issue, he was referring to the talks, however that is the language diplomats use to put their conditions out of the unconditional talk offers … but your preoccupation with unconditional unity is unheard off …. please direct me which science is addressing this issue … its not even valid for romance fiction !
Fistum said, … In so stating, this postulate mathematically and conceptually equalizes the dictator and the fake individuals or groups in the category in view of democracy, meaning that an anti unity group or individual (at this critical moment) is as good a dictator as ours in Asmara…
Petros … So am I an anti unity person now, at this critical moment, My dear Fistum, I tried to get mad, but I said to myself, this buffoon doesn’t even understand the concept of unity and how it functions in it’s proper settings, why does he has to resort on a name calling and insults …
As the rest of your comments are concerned, we discussed it already, in fact some of your points I fond them half way decent, but for now I don’t want to take too much of the commentators space,
Brother Fistum, Some of the language may be a little harsh, it was not intended to offend you … I notice you are like me on occasion as well !
Howeka,
Petros,
Asmara2 May 22, 2013
Hi Petros,
What is your take on the following two (Same message) comments made by the writer? Mind you he says these things with absolute certainty, which is very puzzling
“…..Ethiopians are ready to give us Badme because they know they must give it up eventually but we need to talk with them about it (not about its ownership but on how it gets home peacefully). ……”
“…..The regime cannot refuse peaceful coexistence with its neighbor (by refusing dialogue)…
. The regime’s homework in this regard is accepting dialogue for peace with Ethiopia or continue under Sanction because you cannot let a party that refuses to dialogue for peace arm itself for a potential war that its defiance may cause ahead…….”
Petros Haile May 22, 2013
Selam Asmara2,
Unless Fistum knows what we don’t know, So far, Ethiopia is adamant about their conditions to negotiation before they give an inch of the occupied territory ! What puzzles me the most is when the Eritrean opposition forces go the extra miles to defend the undefendable …. The Badme war costs both Ethiopia and Eritrea thousands of lives, thousands were internally displaced, and others were uprooted, and yet Ethiopia is worried for the few hundreds who would be affected due to the demarcation of the boarder … This is the kind of issue’s that kept the opposition stagnant … in fact the humanitarian and other consideration was clearly addressed by the boarder commissions on its 3rd or 4Th phase of the agreement ! Unless Ethiopia has a sinister agenda to keep dragging this issue indefinitely ?
The dialog issue is an Ethiopian initiative, in fact Ethiopia addressed their complaints in so many pages, but it did not change the “final and binding” agreements signed in Algiers, and the sanction issue has nothing to do with Ethiopia, Eritrea’s involvement with Somalia & Djibouti is what caused the sanction, however Ethiopia used their diplomatic channels to campaign on behalf of the sanction …. and I also noticed Fistum wanted to use Eritrea’s refusal to recognize Somalia as an issue to be dealt with …. China does not recognize Taiwan, have you seen any power ready to punish China, I don’t think so !!!
Asmara2 May 23, 2013
Hi Petros,
Exactly!
All the facts are there for the whole world to see, let alone Eritreans whose life is set upside down due to that border issue. Like you said, even Woyanie themselves do not do much effort to hide these facts, as much as the so called opposition and some individuals like this guy Fitsum are trying to do. For me, the irritating thing is, the “Ainikum Tidefen” type of irresponsible comments and bullshit he throws here and there in his none stop flowing articles**
The “as long as we throw punches at hgdf and Issayas, rant down dictator, throw in there the Sinai and other tragedies, magnify any hardship in Eritrea, etc. ., we can get away with anything as people will not pay attention” attitude, this guy and other writers seem to follow is very telling that they have a very low regard for the intelligence of the Eritrean people.
As for the “….Ethiopia is worried for the few hundreds who would be affected due to the demarcation of the boarder …..”
It is just an excuse and would not fly because:
1) As you put it, the war has displaced and shattered many more lives than those that would be affected by the decision, besides the ruling also considers the humanitarian aspect. On top of that, we can still discuss about this as part of the normalization process.
2) The whole Eritrea was separated from Ethiopia in 1991, and of course some people and families were separated at that time too.
So, this excuse is just that – an excuse. Not a good one at that.
As for the Dialogue itself, Ethiopia has a sinister agenda indeed.
1. We were not able to solve the problem on our own that is why things escalated to war and
2. We already have sat and discussed on how to finally solve our problem – we discussed and agreed to be mediated by an international court of law, and for the verdict to be final and binding.
3. So, what else is there? What else could possibly be above the court of law? And where do we draw the line?
4. Going for dialogue after the verdict, would diminish the final and binding nature of the ruling and would definitely take us in circle.
Even if we are to agree to dialogue, without compromising the final and binding ruling:
1. What is the justification for Ethiopia’s military existence on the disputed areas? Why do they need their military to exist during dialogue?
2. What do we call the next agreement – FINAL AND BINDING –ROUND 2, or what? AND WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? If court ruling is not the last call, then what is?
We all know why the Woyanie are asking for dialogue
1. They want to add other staff in the pretext of the border. They want to twist our hands to negotiate with them about something THAT BELONGS TO US, something which is totally ours and ours only – something totally unrelated to the border issue – SEA ACCESS. Sure, we can do a business deal with them on our terms, following business guidelines – BUT WE WOULD AND SHOULD NEVER ALLOW ANY ONE TO FORCE US TO ENTER INTO ANY FORM OF AGREEMENT BY FORCE. THAT IS TOTTALY UNACCEPTABLE
2. Believing that we will die for our nation and land, knowing very well that we would rather die than – letting any aggressor to take even an inch of our land – they are holding our nation hostage, in the hope that after extended period of time we will crumble and fall. They believe if they choke us long enough, we will start to fight each other, get fragmented and eventually fall victim of them. Again, it is all about access to the sea.
3. Remember they have lost more than 70,000 people during the war. Add to that they fought for something that doesn’t belong to them (At least the flash point – Badme) – is something they have to answer to the Ethiopian people and would definitely be held accountable
4. Badme also means something to them – Particularly to Tigray – so, they agreed to mediation, believing Badme would be theirs – and now they are again hoping to get that back – however impossible
5. They have that “Hudur” grudge, cheap “Hine”….to teach the Eritrean people, believing we think we are better than them. This is cheap. Very cheap. But it is true. I believe the deportation and degrading of Eritreans inside Ethiopia is done solely for that purpose
Finally, as for “…Unless Fistum knows what we don’t know…”, to tell you the truth I don’t think this writer knows much about Eritrea, the Eritrean people, the Eritrean government. Nor does he seem to know anything about the so called opposition either. His writing is so theoretical very detached from reality, and he depends on guessing and third or fourth hand information. And the fact that he managed to generate few cheerleaders, who are less informed than him or who are very naïve (Who mistook his writing skills for knowledge of Eritrean politics- or politics in general), did not help him at all, because he rids here without any one raising the bar for him or challenge him
** May be you know about this better than me, as to why this writer contributes to assenna in the rate of 2 and sometimes 3 or more articles per week. I mean, is this a JOB for him? I mean he must be dedicated to writing articles full time. If that is the case, then definitely he would be forced or obliged to right bullshit, just to fulfill his obligation.
Asmara2 May 23, 2013
Correct : “…to write..”, not “…to right..”
Genet May 22, 2013
Dear Petros
You seem to be very knowledeable about our country’s history. Our country is in a dire stituaiton today than ever before in our history. You don’t have to take my work for it. Just look what is going on to our people. If we don’t educate our young Eritrean in Eritrea now, how are we going to empower the next generation to be socially responsible leaders?
This endless bickering between the oppositon parteis, as well as between intellectuals (Petros & Fistum) is costing us our future. As you stated, Fistum is offering “populist propaganda” correct me if I am wrong. You know populist propaganda, when it is used appropriately, it can be useful to awaken the sleeping mass. Without the participation of the Eritrean people, no oppositon party will succeed.
When it comes to the oppostion’s current status, you said,
Fistum, advocates for unconditional unity; You Petros, think it should be about a great deal of compromising and give and take. I think a great deal of compromising and give and take will lead to unconditional unity for the sake of our future.
You said Ato Woldeab, and Shek Ibrahim, our two great heroes; the motivating factor for both of them was for Eritrea to be free from Ethiopian threat. Do you mean Eritrea to be free from Ethiopia and other country? I am afraid the statement “free from Ethiopian threat” is being used by PFDJ leaders to deny the Eritrean people basic right; And to inflict other long-term damages.
What do you think, the motivating factors should be for intellectuals like you and Fistum to endure a great deal of compromising or unconditional unity?
Are you doing any thing to enlightene the “unenlightened” Eritrean? GOD knows PFDJ’s leaders and Mr Afewerk are killing us in a broad daylight; the opposition are keeping us in the dark. What are we supposed to do? any idea?
I realize, I have many quetions. I know you are very smart; you can handle it.
Genet
Daniel Teclegiorgis May 22, 2013
Dear Genet:- I admire your comment on the following point. “You said Ato Woldeab, and Shek Ibrahim, our two great heroes; the motivating factor for both of them was for Eritrea to be free from Ethiopian threat.”
And let me add the following two points about that specific issue from my recent article, awaiting to be posted @ demo.archive.assenna.com.
ራእይ መራሕትና።
1) ግራዝማች ኢብራሂም ሱልጣን (ሀ) 10/04/1949 1045 a.m. ንጉባኤ ፍሉይ ኮሚሽን ናይ ሕቡራት መንግስታት ካብ ዘስምዕዎ መደረ፡ “ኢትዮጵያና ኤርትራ ኣንድም ግዜ ኣብረው ያልኖሩ የኢትዮጵያ ነገስታቶች ወደ ኤርትራ ዘልቀው የማያውቁ፡ ሁለቱም ህዝቦች የቋንቋ ሆነ የባሕል፡ የታሪክ ሆነ የሃይማኖት ምንም ዓይነት ግኑኝነት የሌላቸው ናቸው።” (የኤርትራ ጉዳይ (ዘውደ ረታ) ገጽ 243)
(ለ) “ሽሕ’ኳ ኤርትራ ንዘመናት ብዝተፈላለዩ ሓይልታት እንተተገዝአት ኣካል ኢትዮጵያ ኮይና ኣይትፈልጥን። .. ኤርትራ ምስ ኢትዮጵያ ኣገዳሲ ዝበሃል ናይ ሓባር ቁጠባዊ ረብሓታት’ውን የብላን፡ ድሕሪ ምባል ድማ ብጀኦግራፍያውዊ መንጽር እንተ ኾነ’ውን፡ ካብ ወደባት ምጽዋዕን ዓሰብን ወደብ ጂቡቲ ዝያዳ ከም ዝጥዕማ ኣረድኡ።” (ኣይንፈላለ (ኣለምሰገድ ተስፋይ) ገጽ 335)
2) ኣቶ ወልደኣብ ወልደማርያም (ሀ)”ናብ ንጉስ ሃይለስላሰ ካብ ዝጸሓፍዎ ደብዳቤ ዝተወስደ ተባሂሉ ተጠቒሱ ካብ ዘሎ ጽሑፍ ድማ፡ …. “ግርማዊነትዎ በድል ኣድራጊነት ወደ ኢትዮጵያ እንደ ተመለሱ፡ ከጥቂቶች ባለንጀሮችየ ጋር ሆኜ፡ ይህችን ዛሬ ሰፊ የሆነችውን የኤርትራና የኢትዮጵያ ኣንድነት ማህበር መሰረትኳት። … ከሶስት ዓመት በበለጠ ዘመን፡ የዚች ማህበር መሪ ከተባሉት ሰዎች ኣንዱ ሆኜ በታማኝነት ኣገለገልኩዋት። .. የኤርትራ ህዝብ ከጣልያን ከተላቀቀ በህዋላ ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ለመግባት መናፈቅ የጀመረው፡ ለራሴ ምስጋና በመፈለግ ሳይሆን፡ ኣብዛኛው ምክንያት እኔ ባደረግኩት የጋዜጣ ስብከት ነው።” (የኤርትራ ጉዳይ (ዘውደ ረታ) ገጽ 393) …… ዝብል ጽሑፍ ይንበብ። ኣቶ ፍጹም እዚታት ጠፊኡዎ’ይኮነን።
Kalighe May 22, 2013
Who is ዘውደ ረታ ?, is he an Amhara historian who is trying to justify Ethiopian colonialism ?. Shame on him .
Petros Haile May 23, 2013
Selam Genet,
(Genet) …If we don’t educate our young Eritrean in Eritrea now, how are we going to empower the next generation to be socially responsible leaders?
(Petros) … I agree, If fact the damage is already felt by many, just look at the youth today, we seem to be hitting records on everything , from producing the highest number of refugees per population, to the indefinitely serving the national service and much more … This trend as you indicated it, It will have a major impact in our society, particularly, to the coming generation, in fact, not only left behind on social responsibilities, but we seem to hit rock bottom in every aspect of Eritrean life …
(Genet) … This endless bickering between the opposition parties, as well as between intellectuals (Petros & Fistum) is costing us our future. As you stated, Fistum is offering “populist propaganda” correct me if I am wrong. You know populist propaganda, when it is used appropriately, it can be useful to awaken the sleeping mass. Without the participation of the Eritrean people, no opposition party will succeed.
(Petros) …I think you said it right … “You know populist propaganda, when it is used appropriately, it can be useful to awaken the sleeping mass.” In all fairness, as much as it sounds as endless bickering, it is extremely important to clarify your position before hand, before it is too late … Look what happened to the PFDJ thugs, if enough people were shown their disapproval when PFDJ was doing wrong, We would not have been in this position today, and this applies to the opposition group as well, since they will be our leaders tomorrow … However I agree with you, and wish we can be constructive in our discussions, and in finding a solution to this endless quagmire … In short, clarifying your position is a must, and we have to be extra careful not to repeat the mistakes of the past, by granting a blanket approval to who ever is claiming to take us to the promise land, that promise land may not be any different, just because they claim so …
(Genet)… When it comes to the opposition’s current status, you said,
Fistum, advocates for unconditional unity; You Petros, think it should be about a great deal of compromising and give and take. I think a great deal of compromising and give and take will lead to unconditional unity for the sake of our future.
(petros)… I think we are hoping to reach that level of unity (unconditional)when we have a free stable society that would be govern by constitutional rule, where by the people approved it overwhelmingly through their delegates or other democratic means, and every citizen willing to die to preserve the unity. I may sound very pessimistic, but unfortunately, at this stage in Eritrea, let alone unconditional unity, the opposition can not even reach to an agreement in forming a loose alliance or a united front at a minimum, and I agree with you we all have to strive to reach that goal … With all honesty, when one raise the slogan of “Unconditional Unity”, he/she has the advantage over the people who seek the alternative, such as “Conditional Unity” , for obvious reason, one seems to advocate or promise a never ending harmonious life, while the second one seems to be holding an exit strategy, if things don’t work out … To me the second option seems to carry a more realistic approach and it is how the real world seems to function, but again as you said, if we can be able to harmonize the “Conditional Unity” that eventually transforms to “Unconditional Unity” I am in total agreement …
(Genet) … You said Ato Woldeab, and Shek Ibrahim, our two great heroes; the motivating factor for both of them was for Eritrea to be free from Ethiopian threat. Do you mean Eritrea to be free from Ethiopia and other country? I am afraid the statement “free from Ethiopian threat” is being used by PFDJ leaders to deny the Eritrean people basic right; And to inflict other long-term damages.
(Petros) … I think you misunderstood me on this one, I was referring to the federation time, Why the reason Ato Woldeab & Shek Ibrahim allied and formed the “Independence Block” … among the reasons were … What was known as “The Bevin Forza” proposals, The idea was to partition Eritrea into two parts, the western low lands to be given to the Sudan, while The Highland of Eritrea to be united with Ethiopia, and the Ethiopian factor came in the form of the “Historical claim, and Access to the Sea, which was repeatedly addressed by the Emperor and his cohorts … I was not referring to the current PFDJ / Woyne, … although the current standing by these two forces seems to show, there is a mutual threat by both parties, mainly though their proxy’s, and allies …
(Genet) … What do you think, the motivating factors should be for intellectuals like you and Fistum to endure a great deal of compromising or unconditional unity?
(Petros) … Genet, I am not an intellectual, in fact I rather call my self as a concerned citizen with an active imagination … Fistum & myself,I don’t think we are far apart, the differences seems to me more of a tactical than a strategy, once we clearly identify the use of the language to its practical applications, you will be surprised, we have so much in common than our differences, to me this back and forth, or as you may call it “bickering” is nothing more than a process of elimination … However I would strongly suggest for all of us to organize our thoughts and feelings in line with seeking a solutions, and I was hoping Brother Fistum will help us to formalize this informal discussions to a tangible and constructive level …
(Genet) … Are you doing any thing to enlighten the “unenlightened” Eritrean? GOD knows PFDJ’s leaders and Mr Afewerk are killing us in a broad daylight; the opposition are keeping us in the dark. What are we supposed to do? any idea?
(Petros) … I think this is a collective project, Again if I have to suggest on what next ? Since Brother Fistum originated this forum idea, and he pretty much familiar with all the contributers, he may as well call for a like minded people and request for a formal gatherings, however before that we each have to send him what our concerns are ? What we would like to see discussed on our agenda ? and the whole enchilada, from the start to the end … what our mission should be ? What will be our goal ? or what we want to achieve as the result of this forum ? all sorts of preparatory works before hand … In short what should we do with in our limited ability to bring about a “unity” to all opposition camps, in the hope of creating an umbrella concept … I hope I am making sense … I am just brainstorming the idea you brought …
Thank You Genet, for helping me clarify my positions,
Hawki
Petros,
Genet May 23, 2013
Hi Petros
Thanks. You are being modist. It is good to be modest and humble. But, you and Fistum no question are intellectuals. From his brilliant an unaplogetic writing, Fistum seems to be not after any political power. Don’t give me wrong there is noting wrong for any Eritrean to seek a political power as long as a person has a good intention for the well being of our people.
You said, ” In all fairness, as much as it sounds as endless bickering, it is extremely important to clarify your position before hand, before it is too late” I agree. I do think you both want change for the better for Eritrea. You two may differ how fast to get there. “a great deal of compromising and give and take VS “unconditional unity”.
reg. the motivaiting factor for Ato Woldeab and Shek Ibrahim “for Eritrea to be free from Ethiopian threat” I understood you well, that you meant during the federation time. You stated about the mutual threat between Eritrea and Ethiopia. I agree there is one. What is distarbing to me is that how this threat is being used by Mr Afewerki. NO Eritrean would deny that there is a threat. However, why do we have to allow for one man to have unconditional power to keep us paralyzed.
The notion that all Eritrean have to unit and stand by Mr Afewerki due to this indefinite threat is not feasible plan any longer.
Quesion for you, what is your thought about the all PFDJ’s supporters stand, BECAUSE OF BORDER ISSUE:
WE CAN’T HAVE RULE OF LAW
WE CAN’T HAVE FREEDOM FO MOVEMENT IN SIDE OUR COUNTRY
WE CAN’T CHANGE LEADERSHIP
WE CAN’T ALLOW A DO PROCESS
WE CAN’T ASK, WHY ARE ERITREAN PUT IN PRISON WITHOUT A DAY IN COURT?
DO WE NEED THAT MANY PRISON FACILITY?
WE CAN’T HAVE ANY INDEPENDENT PRESS
HOW IS IT HELPFUL TO THE BOREDER ISSUE AND ETHIOPIAN THREAT, TO MAKE SURE ERITREAN ARE BEATEN TO SUMMATION, RATHER THAN EMPOWERING US?
I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE.
Genet
Ghenet May 24, 2013
Well said Genet.
I always love your points and I refrain from commenting in order not to disrupt the flow of ideas. BUT now, I have to say GOOD JOB!!
It is this kind of civil and matured discussion (between you, Fitsum and Petros) that we need now so that we can move forward!
Genet May 29, 2013
Dear Petros
I am still waiting for your response.
Genet
Salim May 29, 2013
“the indefinitely serving the national service. ”
nay kndey seAt hagerawi agelglot tdeli aloKa? hager men kHlwelkan k’hanSelka tdeli aloKa:: You are a typical Negro who thinks only on short term basis.
Kalighe May 23, 2013
Brother Petros,
I think Fistum has come with the idea of “unconditional unity” just to stress the importance of national unity. Nations are built on historical compromises, and as such, conditions and thorny issues are there, but mutual acceptance makes it easy to settle them for the sake of the country. At times, those who think can easily impose their preconditions, won’t give-in to popular pressure. They have 1001 ways and excuses to avoid national unity government. This is more true where the level of education of the people is low and the country has limited experience in party politics. Obviously,it’s in the interest of common good that politicians learn or are pressurized by their constituencies to compromise. Arm twisting and challenges are the worst way of doing national politics. Although, many Eritreans would like to see a functioning liberal democratic system in Eritrea as soon as the super brute leaves the stage, initial few years will require a lot of compromises and national governments based on national unity instead of competitive liberal democracy. As long as there is good will and justice there is no issue that cannot be tackled.
Petros Haile May 24, 2013
Brother Kalighe,
Thanks, I really like the way you explain all side of the issues in one paragraph … and as you said “Unconditional Unity – just to stress the importance of national unity”, although, Fistum got carried away in his benchmarks … what group to qualify, and who to exclude … among other criterias he felt necessary !
Brother Kalighe, I found your comment helpful not only for me and Fistum, but for all of us … We need sober minds to interject from time to time !!!
Petros,
Genet May 22, 2013
Mighty,
Asmara2, Salim and alike are blind attack dogs. When they are challenged with facts, they cry, Woyane, Woyane, Woyane… for days like wonded dogs. Their action is un Eritrean. It is sad and disappointing to see them terrified of Woyane. It is just not an Eritrean characterisitc. They must be a bad actors of the Woyane within our country. The worst part is they think they are brilliant. Just wait, for what you will see now..
Genet
belay nega May 22, 2013
GENET
“When they are challenged with facts, they cry, Woyane, Woyane, Woyane… for days like wonded dogs. Their action is un Eritrean.”
With all due respect,I may differ in the name they are using[woyane],but I never doubted that the cause of all these crises in Eritrea are Ethiopians.
We have to differentiate blaming from facts. As far as I am concerned I never blamed Ethiopians for doing what they supposed to do,but one more time the fact is they are the cause of our problem.
.” It is sad and disappointing to see them terrified of Woyane. It is just not an Eritrean characterisitc”
I don’t think they are terrified,rather they are respecting the enemy, learning from their mistake.
For your information there is no much difference in characteristics between the two people.The unfortunate difference is the perception we have to each other.I feel them[Ethiopians] when I see it this way:
I can imagine how would my brother in Asmera would feel, if I undermine him due the fact that I am an American by choice.
Anyway let us accept that the issue we suffering from is not easy,and is high time to tell our people the truth, before is caught by surprise as ever.
BELAY
Genet May 24, 2013
Hi Mr Nega
You said, “I never blamed Ethiopian for doing what they supposed to do, but one more time the fact is they are the couse of our problem” So, do you You blamed them or not? which is it? Are Ethiopians building and running prison facilities? Are they taking the fish from the red sea away from the Eritrean people? Are they taking the money from our Gold profit away from the Eritrean people? Are Ethiopian telling Mr Afewerki to do what he is doing? (destroying our country)? I DON’T THINK SO.
Genet
belay nega May 26, 2013
Genet,the great
All the problem we see in Eritrea, is the scratch caused by Ethiopian allergy.
I do not blame them, because if I were them I would be the worst.
Genet May 27, 2013
Mr Nega.
You don’t blame them, because they are doing not enough damage. what? how do we know you are not them?
Genet
Salim May 26, 2013
Geneta,
Your accusations are baseless. If you want to talk about prisons and privatized prison facilities then you better concentrate on American, the so-called mother of all democracies.
Someone is playing with your mind.
Genet May 27, 2013
Dear Salim
I am one of the millions Eritrean, who has been disappointed for at least 17 years, with the decision made by the so called leaders in our country.
Pointing out the reality in our country is not accusations. But awareness. Why do you think Eritrean are fleeing the country they love? do you think this is an accusations? Asking question is not accusations, but demanding for accountability. You and I are two Eritrean who see things in two different ways. You think every thing is well in Eritrea. That is your perception. I and other Eritrean see the current status of our people objectively. When 300+ Eritrean drowned in the sea. We ask what happen? why were Eritrean fleeing their country after independent? who was responsible to make sure all Eritrean are taken care off? Why is national service used inappropriately? Why are Eritrean children being raised without their father? Who is responsible for this life changing events? Who is accountable for our Gold profit? is it being deposited in our country’s official business account? How many Eritreans are in prison and why? Why are our Eritrean mothers preparing food like the primitive way? Why do PFDJ leaders denied them daily electricity? Why is fish too expensive to the regular Eritrean? Are these actions being used to control the Eritrean? if it is not then why? These questions are not accusations, but valid questions and need answers? Some body has to be responsible and accountable. You can’t claim you are the leader of our country and not be accountable.
So, Salim, You can’t say, “Your accusations are baseless” and not provide facts why it is baseless. By the way we are not talking about America, we are talking about the tragic situations in our home country Eritrea. After paying dearly with our peoples’ lives for our independent, what we have to show the world is a dictator with a whistle and bells. These are not accusation but good questions by responsible Eritreans. You need to open your eyes if you want to see the truth about our country’s reality.
Genet
Salim May 22, 2013
Mr Abraham,
slemntay n’aKlabat Woyane ab Hade Temirka ab asmara kof kteblom tdeli aloKa azyu zegerm neger ‘yu::
‘za kula akele ab mklKal wefira ‘nkela nsKa gele kab atom aHwat wey azmad yeblkan dyu?
ab kndi nSela’ti Eritrea tgeTmom Hangolka HaSibu nebsKan aHwatkan hagerkan Seli’ka ” I have found the enemy, the enemy is us! ” kemtbl zgebereka men ‘yu??? Eritrea bflay dma akele melsKa tSbe ala:: haye melsi hab bQulTuf::
Salim May 26, 2013
We are waiting for a reply from Mr Abraham.
Ghenet May 23, 2013
Dear Fitsum,
Thank you for the way you have put the issue of unconditional unity.
I have been following the discussion and from what I see there are people who actually are fixated on Ethiopia and our issues with it. This is taking the discussion off the main track of our demand for democracy. Our Issues with Ethiopia are different from our issues with PFDJ. Our issues with PFDJ/DIA are about our rights and democracy. Our issues with Ethiopia are half solved. What is left is the on ground demarcation of the boarder. The Eritrean people have been denied their rights and there is no rule of law in the land. We actually cannot talk to DIA about our rights and democracy without ending up in dungeons. This by default means we have no right to talk about the boarder. So you see, for us to talk about boarder we should have the right to talk first and make decision as people.
What I am trying to say is, we need to prioritise our issues. Let us talk about what we can do to create a platform where we can have a say and the power to decide of what happens to the boarder. No matter what Ethiopia intends to do about it, the Eritrean people have to make the decision not DIA.
So the basic thing, it seems, is to prioritise our problems and solutions. To me, it is ‘unconditional unity’ to focus on the right of our people so that they can stand for themselves and they own land!
Our questions now should be ‘Do we all want to save this battered nation/people? Do we want to relieve our people from the yoke they are heaving?’
kazen May 24, 2013
Dear Reader
I admire with the back ward sentiments of some Eritrean just saying that the dictator leader uses call and the name WEYANE for the opposition part of an Eritrean Similarly the opposition calls for the dictator leadership AGAME.
Do you know the meaning and connation of both names Agame is the leader of Eritrean starting from 18 century until now. Weyane by default is the genuine leader of horn Africa. So way don’t believe we are, we were and we shall live under the agame dynasty for ever.
WE CAN’T HAVE RULE OF LAW
WE CAN’T HAVE FREEDOM FO MOVEMENT IN SIDE OUR COUNTRY
WE CAN’T CHANGE LEADERSHIP
Being an Eritrea during the Ethiopian administration is the best one in any parameters. the only Eritrean can live with modern life style in the world is seen only when we are with Haileslasei. The respection and proud of the citizen was assured when we are getting with our Ethiopian brothers and sister. This is the truth history of Eritrean who couldn’t deny any body of the past and the present generation.
During Turkish, Italy, Britain is better than the worst life after independence is best than
WE CAN’T ALLOW A DO PROCESS
WE CAN’T ASK, WHY ARE ERITREAN PUT IN PRISON WITHOUT A DAY IN COURT?
DO WE NEED THAT MANY PRISON FACILITY?
WE CAN’T HAVE ANY INDEPENDENT PRESS
HOW IS IT HELPFUL TO THE BOREDER ISSUE AND ETHIOPIAN THREAT, TO MAKE SURE ERITREAN ARE BEATEN TO SUMMATION, RATHER THAN EMPOWERING US?
I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE.
Genet
kazen May 24, 2013
Dear Reader
I admire with the back ward sentiments of some Eritrean just saying that the dictator leader uses call and the name WEYANE for the opposition part of an Eritrean Similarly the opposition calls for the dictator leadership AGAME.
Do you know the meaning and connation of both names Agame is the leader of Eritrean starting from 18 century until now. Weyane by default is the genuine leader of horn Africa. So way don’t believe we are, we were and we shall live under the agame dynasty for ever.
WE CAN’T HAVE RULE OF LAW
WE CAN’T HAVE FREEDOM FO MOVEMENT IN SIDE OUR COUNTRY
WE CAN’T CHANGE LEADERSHIP
Being an Eritrea during the Ethiopian administration is the best one in any parameters. the only Eritrean can live with modern life style in the world is seen only when we are with Haileslasei. The respection and proud of the citizen was assured when we are getting with our Ethiopian brothers and sister. This is the truth history of Eritrean who couldn’t deny any body of the past and the present generation.
During Turkish, Italy, Britain is better than the worst life after independence is best than
WE CAN’T ALLOW A DO PROCESS
WE CAN’T ASK, WHY ARE ERITREAN PUT IN PRISON WITHOUT A DAY IN COURT?
DO WE NEED THAT MANY PRISON FACILITY?
WE CAN’T HAVE ANY INDEPENDENT PRESS
HOW IS IT HELPFUL TO THE BOREDER ISSUE AND ETHIOPIAN THREAT, TO MAKE SURE ERITREAN ARE BEATEN TO SUMMATION, RATHER THAN EMPOWERING US?
I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE.
God bless Eritrea with beloved Ethiopia
Genet May 24, 2013
No, Mr/miss kazen
I do’t think so! If you want to help Eritrea, can you please take the Woyane within our coutry to where he belongs? AND YOU WILL SEE HOW WE can TAKE CARE OF OUR SELEVES. WHAT CAME OUT OF THE 30 YEARS STRUGLE IS THAT WE ALLOWED THE BENEFIT TO GO TO WOYANE, AND WE ARE LEFT WITH THE SHORT END OF THE STICK. WE WILL OVER COME. GOD BLESS INDEPENDENT ERITREA!
Genet
Salim May 24, 2013
“I do’t think so! If you want to help Eritrea, can you please take the Woyane within our coutry to where he belongs? ”
I admire your stance on the border issue.
Eritreawit May 30, 2013
Salim, you missed the point. LOL.
THE WOYNEYS WITH IN IN ARE; MOST LEADERS OF PFDJ, STARTING FROM ISAYAS.
kazen May 25, 2013
To Ms Genet
Hope-full is known that better than hopeless. I am an Eritrean origin but my ancestors may be from Sudan or Tigray. But for a single period of time I am not considering myself as unique generation or breed. Please Tuuf belo¨ such sentiments for the sake of our GOD. And you have to judge yourself free from ‘HGdef and weyane’. Because both of them they have a lot of good and bad history.
Are you happy the celebration and dancing on the fake independence day with empty stomach and the fake articulated of ERITV, programs. I am very sad on this occasion and it is very clear you can read from all the participants of the day starting from Keren, Mendefera, Barentu, Massawa and Asmara. No more new things except weyane, tselaeti, america,bdoho and mekete it is customer thought of 13 months of crises without any progressive solution. we have to bring new ideas and concepts that could lead the new generation for peace and development. telling bad and forged history based on the past 70 old history is the worst approach to twist the genuine mind of youngster in the nation. Be fast and be progressive and finally thanks for your comment in what so ever, because we are brothers and politics is the typical game of dictator and gamblers on the life of society.
Be yourself
God bless Ethiopia-Eritrea/
Salim May 26, 2013
You are Tigrayan from intichew.
KAZEN May 26, 2013
HI MY FREIND SALIM
YOHANA EXCEPT BANANA
OFF-COURSE I HAD IT BEEN FROM INTICHEW I COULD PROUD MORE THAN ANY ONE ELSE. AND I AM NOT FROM INTCHEW I BELONGS TO ANSEBA BUT MY ANCESTORS ARE TYPICALLY AGAME. YOU WILL FAIL WITH SUCH BACKWARD SENTIMENTS.
Genet May 27, 2013
Dear Kazen
Do you mean “may be Sudan or Tigray origin Eritrean?” You speak like some one who has Eritrean connection but never felt comfortable as Eritrean. or Ethiopian who is hear to confuse people, just for fun. I am disappointed by many Ethiopian-Eritrean who don’t feel the suffering of the Eritrean people, who are their people. Instead, they come hear and give the Eritrean people a lecture about the common origin of Tigrayn and Eritrean. They try to tell us that we have no right to feel as Eritrean. They try to tell us we never existed as Eritrean. Our way of life is not ours. We don’t have custom or culture. We are a fake country. The precious lives we lost for our independent, really do not matter. And they want us to admit, we have no identity. It is a shame for those people who wants to remain Eritrean, yet they pray one day Eritrea is going be swallowed by Tigray. It is a delusional thinking. All I have to say to those people is that there is a unique Eritrean characteristic, and you have to be Eritrean to know it. To tell us, we don’t have a culture while taking over our culture is ruthless. Is this a revenge against Eritrean for using a derogatory word? I have no ill feeling toward Ethiopian or Tigray God bless them.
GOD BLESS INDEPENDENT ERITREA!
Genet
kazen May 28, 2013
To my dear Sister Genet
Please thanks for your comment and appreciate also the points what you deserve on this issue. I am an Eritrean who know little on the fabrication of the establishment of Jebha, it was from Egypt and other Arab countries targeting to get weaken horn of AFRICA. That is way I am toking the truth. You can judge yourself is any freedom in Eritrea, is here any justice or rule of law, and transparency and participation, governance ,education and health facilities infrastructural development, political and technological maturity. Nomore so we have to speak and write the actual situation starting from the past up-to now.
kazen May 28, 2013
To Dear respective Eritrean reader
Please we have to write and took what is truth, just the fact inorder to reconsicle with your mind. Do you believe that any single Eritrean indicates any satisfies under the of new leadership Eritrean governance. Just you could imagine starting from the day one of independence 1991 in Asmara.No more any knowledge how to handle any human being they just make revenge the fighters against the city dwellers.
This is mainly due to lack of capacity of leadership-they were not ready and provide training to all fighters how could to administer the public. they had some experience with the opportunities of managerial problem of Dergue to made only on war. Public administration and war have different approaches. and some time the fighters were not trained with urban management and public at large. In order to administer people we need to know the history of our self and others history in detail. We are also expected to respect the rule of law specially human right. No one know basic pillar of governance. That is way most Eritrean was confused on the meaning of independence in comparison with the previous governance under Ethiopia. In all dimensions life of Eritrean under the administration of Ethiopia was best. More ever, If you make comparison with the previous colonies life is worst under the fake independence PFGHD days more than any one else whether Turkish, Britain and Italy. The worst life is on the colony with our indigenous people PFDJ. So please we have to speak,write and read the truth. Are we getting such rabish life during the former Ethiopian life. we were respected and engaged on the standard offices, sensitive and profitable business in the whole towns of Ethiopia . At that time no one Ethiopian were rich than Eritrean. The People and the governor of Ethiopia were giving high respection to Eritrean.We know all of this and it was the recent phenomena. How can we forget this life in every office of Bank, tel ,electricity, airlines, high level truck drivers and owners and managerial activities, hotel and services were all most all belongs to Eritrean those who was living in Ethiopia. So please donot make fake history for the sake of GOD if we are making laying the food what we had and transported to Eritrean could be disturb.
Campo Asmara, Campo dekmhare, piase, tekelhaymanot, etc all belongs to——-
God Bless Eritrea
Yours Kazen Zbeleza
Genet May 28, 2013
Kazen
What are you suggesting? You are talking how good life was under Ethiopian for Eritrean who were in Ethiopia. Clearly you don’t, know how the rest of Eritrean were living in Eritrea under Dergue. I am not realy sure were you stand in regards to the current situation in our country. If you are proud Eritrean, what is your hope for our people? what do you have to offer to help our people?
Genet
Genet May 24, 2013
Dear Ghenet
Thank you for the kind words. Please don’t refrain yourself from commenting when ever you feel, you need to comment. You are one of the millian Eritrean, who feels the heart bit of our people.
I agree with your point. WHAT IS OUR PRIORITY AS PEOPLE? HOW DO WE ALL SEE OUR PEOPLES’ CURRENT SITUATION? DO WE HAVE TIME TO FOOL AROUND? WHAT IS AT STAKE NOW? IS IT POWER OR A SURVIVAL OF A NATION? NOW, 20 YEARS PAST. WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS? EVERYONE JUST ADD 20 YEARS TO YOUR CURRENT AGE. DO WE WANT TO SEE A DIFFERNT ERITREA FOR THE BETTER? WE CAN GO ALL PHILOSOPHICAL ABOUT ANY ISSUES ALL WE WANT, BUT OUR PEOPLE DON’T CARE ABOUT HOW WE GET THERE, THEY WANT HELP. TO THE OPPOSITIONS, UNCONDITINAL UNITY TODAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER! I DO BELIEVE ANY BODY CAN COME TO AGREE TO UNDONDITINAL UNITY IF ONE HAS NO HIDDEN AGENDA. THE STAKE IS HIGH. IT IS ABOUT A SURVIVAL OF A GREAT PEOPLE AND A NATION. Thank you all.
Genet
Salim May 24, 2013
WHAT IS OUR PRIORITY AS PEOPLE?
Geneta,
Answer: rebuild and protect our country, the land of deqi Hade lbi.
Ghenet May 25, 2013
Salim.
Rebuild a country whose people are leaving it? rebuilding it for who? The land is useless without people.
But one thing you are right is that at the moment it is the land of hade lbi – that of DIA only.
A piece of land becomes a country when people who live in it call it a country. By people I mean many hearts. Israel is a good example.
One heart has only one brian (in o case a messed up one). A country is build and proected by many hearts and many brains- meaning PEOPLE.
Salim May 26, 2013
“Rebuild a country whose people are leaving it? rebuilding it for who? The land is useless without people.”
Welcome to globalization! Some people will continue leaving the country for better opportunities elsewhere. That is also the case with North Africa.
If you think that importing Woyane dogs from the brothels in Agameland will stop some Eritreans leaving their country then you have to check yourself into the nearest psychiatric clinic.
bzuH aytCHeneQi::
Ghenet May 27, 2013
Really Salim Really??????
Is that all you have. You can not talk about ideas except Hate to anyone who wants change adn democracy in eritrea.
Eritrean peopel are not leaving the country ‘for better opportunities elsewhere’. They are leaving it to save themselves and to find a place where they are not slave to where they do not do unpaid jobs all their lives.
You must have unimaginablehate against eritreans!
Genet May 27, 2013
Salim
You mean building a dictator; Destroying Eritrean identity; making sure Eritrea and Eritrean ranked at the bottom in all aspect of life.
“rebuild and protect our country” you don’t believe that is happening in our country, do you?
Genet
Salim May 29, 2013
Destroying Eriteran identity? In what way???
Genet May 30, 2013
Salim
My brother, in our culture (Eritrean), our children are raised by two parents unless there is death in a family. offten, our fathers are the disciplinary. Under the dictator, Eritrean fathers are taken away from families indefinitely. How can any father pass his value to his children if he is not around. THAT IS DESTROYING ERITREAN IDENTITY.
Genet