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HERE AND THERE FROM THE FORUM By Fetsum Abraham//4/16/2013 Shewit:  “Fitsum; No wonder Eritrea is where it is now with citizens like you. Empty bravado, limitless hate, delusion of identity, self inflated ego like yours seems to speed

HERE AND THERE FROM THE FORUM
By Fetsum Abraham//4/16/2013
Shewit:  “Fitsum; No wonder Eritrea is where it is now with citizens like you. Empty bravado, limitless hate, delusion of identity, self inflated ego like yours seems to speed up the burial of your fake nation”
belay nega:  “SHEWIT IS AN AUTHENTIC ETHIOPIAN WITH IDENTICAL ETHIOPIAN FEELING: SHEWIT IS JUST TELLING US WHAT ETHIOPIANS FEEL TOWARDS ERITREA. THESE ARE THE ETHIOPIANSWHO CANNOT AFFORD TO REMAIN LAND LOCKED ESPECIALLY BY THE PEOPLE WHOM THEY THINK ARE BROTHERS BY BLOOD AND ORIGIN.” THE ACTUAL SITUATION IN ERITREA IS ABOUT TO BE OR NOT TO BE A COUNTRY. BIG EVIDENCE THAT ERITREAN PROBLEM IS DEEP ROOTED”
jonah: “Border conflict are natural occurrence in Africa [] Nigeria and Cameroon. So, what is different in erit/ethio case? Ethio has continued to function normal and focusing on what is best for its people largely. Eritrea on other hand has been in stand-still or jumped into Foxhole and looking for an enemy at every side.
Belay/Shewit- With Eritrea been a fake country. I don’t think that is something Ethiopian feel. Maybe some Ethiopians and if that is case so what? There is nothing fake about Eritrea- it exists – make sure that you go to AU in Addis Ababa- and tell those Kenyan, Nigerian, Ghanaian- there nationality is fake. You can go the United Nation and also tell the Croatian(1992) or Slovenian(1990) or Serbian, etc.. that they are fake also…This is comedy.”
Me: Ethiopians’ desire to see Eritrea within their country is not new but a natural feeling of some people in our situation. It will continue to exist without any effect on the sovereignty of Eritrea. That is why I like Johnas’s confidence in “so what?” In so saying, the entire world cannot change the Eritrean independence let alone someone in deep “fake nation” fantasy.
Further, Ethiopians have shown that they can live without our ports like the 47 other countries in the world. They cannot own ports because they do not have any but they have the right to use their neighbors’ including ours. Therefore, I sense brother Belay is advocating for unity through this indirect message. Relating the Eritrean situation to the consequence of its independence vis-à-vis the Ethiopians denies Belay’s Eritrawinet with confident and clear state of mind, leaving him in permanent insecurity for the rest of it.
Contrary to Belay’s mindset, we need a constitutional government, strong economy and intellectual; capacity to be fit enough to defend ourselves from any potential threat in the future, making the dictatorship a double sword in our quest for a confident society in Eritrea. We cannot afford external threat and internal dictatorship simultaneously; we need freedom in order to challenge external forces logically or militarily.
Zola: “Dear Titsum, as a concerned Tigrian, I read the article closely and found it largely balanced and well articulated. Indeed, Eritreans, with a right cause, earned their/your independence and I respect and always appreciate it.  we as Ethiopians/Tigrians feel uncomfortable when it come to engaging with Eritreans. Many of here in Tigay believe that we, as people, basically did nothing wrong to Eritrea to deserve such a huge hatred as it is today in many Eritreans. We therefore tend to be suspicious of any possibility fair deal, at least for some foreseeable time.
Me: Brother, thank you for participating: the feeling is in both sides because many Tigreans feel negative against us too. Our meeting point to solve the problem is admitting its existence in both sides. I think the Eritrean and Tigrean grass-root masses have close to nothing to do with this and let us not give the few narrow-minded people from both sides a chance to destruct out historical attachment as people of the same roots. The good thing is that many Eritreans in Diaspora respect the Tigreans better than in the past, more than what the Tigreans think about it (Seriously speaking). The so stated hatred is mainly contained within the Afwerkists in Diaspora (such as Sophia Tesfamariam and government infiltrators acting activists) and that negative energy is dissipating fast as a result of increased awareness of the Eritreans. Work on your community to this end and we will continue working on ours to improve the situation and I guarantee you brother, not to worry about this feeling if you convince yourself on our capacity to do it. Activists like you and me should resolve the issues from neutral point of view for the sake of our people. Please see what Zebib wrote in response to Dawit’s fascism and have the gut to condemn the fascism in Shewit to be equally effective. We should together isolate the elements of hate in both sides by working hard to this effect within our communities.
I, however, agree with you that the wounds suffered by the two societies will take a while to heal but let us start the journey together.
“The hate/war propaganda that the regime in Asmara has been blowing for decades meant that a great portion of the existing generation in Eritrea is more militaristic in thinking disillusioned in orientation.”
Me: The forced militarization of Eritrean youth and denying it education have been the sources of said disillusion but this will also die with Afwerki, it is only a matter of time.
“I strongly oppose your argument for Eritrea to get Badme while you yourself admitted that Eritrea invaded the place in the first place. I don’t think any lasting peace would be achieved, even if the Government in Ethiopia would forsake Badme for peace, as this won’t be just. I leave your assessment of the Weyane of today to yourself.”
Me: you will be surprised how immaterial Badme is compared to the big stake for the two societies. Personally, Badme’s Tigrawinet or Eritreawinet does not matter as much because the people of the village are related to each other one and would only want to live in peace either way. The fact remains, however, that Ethiopia and Eritrea went to court on Badme and other issues with agreement to accept the verdict unconditionally. This reality will live forever and the case is closed by international recognition of Badme’s Eritrawinet. ONE DOES NOT GO TO COURT ON THE CONDITION OF WINNING for this nullifies the concept of justice all together.
It is true that we invaded Badme and ignited the war but the event precedes the international court procedure by which Badme was found to be Eritrean; there is no relationship between both events. Ethiopia can temporarily hold Badme illegally at the expense of peaceful coexistence but this cannot go forever. Further, being just is accepting the agreement you made on the conflict and its verdict, and I have no idea what Ethiopians expect us to do in this situation.
I am, however, confident that we will settle the case rationally with any Ethiopian government in democratic Eritrea for at least the following reasons.
1)    As much as Ethiopians feel they can survive without Eritrea (proven) Eritreans will continue surviving without Ethiopia (proven even under this dictatorship) but rather more efficiently in democratic Eritrea through free business economics using the coastal lines, fisheries and mineral resources while focusing on educating the society as the primary goal of the nation.
2)    The RED SEA is the busiest sea rout in the world and therefore Eritreans can develop the ports and islands to accommodate the traffic and the potential tourism industry to sustain the nation’s economic demands, meaning Eritrea can generate income from other sources than Ethiopia. Afwerki’s policy is the biggest obstacle that could not prove this hypothesis.
Emiru Isak: “Brother, You have come to your senses now. It seems you have taken notice of some of the criticisms you got last time. But you have missed one thing in your analysis: What shall you do if the Ethiopians won’t give you  your  badme back? It seems you don it understand why Ethiopia doesn’t want to do that or you don’t want to discuss it because of fear of backclash. In that case you are decieving your self.”
Me: Thanks for your input but I do not remember any criticism that influenced my last article. I hope you will read this to grasp the consequence of your subjective mentality that does not represent the interest of Ethiopians collectively, but I cannot see peace without Badme in Eritrea.
“The Tigrians consider Badme as legitmatley theirs as you considert it yours. That will not be changed by Algeris agreement or by discredited judges at the HAgue. So consider other options rather to solve the empass rather than singing old song. .”
Me: It will change. It is not whether the Eritreans or Tigreans think about the ownership of Badme. The issue is that Ethiopia lost it in court and must give it up. Your “by Algeris agreement or by discredited judges at the HAgue” is an emotional discharge than lacks rationality on the subject, let alone to impress the universe. The case is not between the Tigreans and the Eritreans but between Eritrea and Ethiopia and you need to understand this first and convince yourself that abiding by the law on Badme is the only solution to the stalemate. I am sure the new Ethiopian government knows this very well specifically for the following reasons:
1)    The Weyanes after all had accepted the verdict but procrastinated it through the DIALOGUE FIRST approach to keep the political power under, until now. It could not have survived the political environment of the time: this screened excuse does not work today: It can no longer keep the Weyanes in power.
2)    I don’t think Ethiopians will scarify peaceful coexistence and mutually benefiting economic development for the pride of 6% of the population (if we stretch the issue and assume this matters to all Tigreans which I do not think so). Any Ethiopian government cannot survive international resistance on the issue in democratic and peaceful Eritrea because the so far dormant collective Eritrean intellectual mind can challenge this issue easily.
 The catch:
I see two important effects concerning the Badme saga on the development that a non-Tigrean head of state runs the country today:
1)    The return of Badme would not affect the value of Tigreans (psychologically) in all aspect of the sociopolitical relationship. It would be effective without compromising the Tigrean pride, sense of patriotism, etc. because it would be done without the responsibility of the TPLF. Meles’s vision here vindicates the Tigreans from the fate of Badme in view of Ethiopian politics.
2)    The return of Badme would not affect the current Ethiopian government in its current ethnic composition since it did not sign the agreements concerning the issue with Eritrea. Therefore, the Ethiopian government can easily give Badme to Eritrea based on the legally abiding verdict that the new leaders have nothing to do with directly. Meles’s vision thus, vindicates the new politicians from taking direct responsibility as well. I think he was intelligent to arrange the situation as such before he passed away because he knew the eventual return of Badme is legally, rationally and strategically inevitable.
In conclusion; I must apologize for delaying discussion on Petros Haile’s ideas of solution because of the important questions forwarded by few Tigrean brothers in the forum on Badme (I could not ignore them). Thank you

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  • Zeray April 17, 2013

    Embasorya,

    I hope you wrote this ALL CAPS message to humor us. But if you are serious, then let me respond by saying:

    People who knit-pick on people like you have done must be:
    1. Myopic and who only think their ways are the only way.
    2. “Pound foolish and penny wise”.
    3. Very difficult to live with or be friends with.
    4. Unrealistic and they make decisions on assumptions.

    I ran out of ideas, since you are good at this please continue this for me.

  • abebe beso bela April 17, 2013

    I have a hard time to accept that Ethiopia sacrificed a hundred thousand souls for a few hundred square meters of land. I am more inclined to the position that the Ethiopian government did this to secure lasting peace through mutual defense and economic agreements along with guaranteed sea access. I would go as far as to say it is a strategic blunder on the side of Eritreans to believe that there is some sort of emotional or egotistic attachment to Badme after observing the pragmatic operational nature of EPRDF and its leadership over the past 20 years. I would think it’s reasonable to expect that any agreement results in the return of Badme to Eritrea would also guarantee that this is the last conflict between the two nations be it because of borders or another disagreement. However, in light of PFDJ’s proven track record of irresponsibility and unreliability, the only option is to make it a big loser should it choose to start another conflict without sacrificing another hundred thousand souls. This comes through integration of the two economies and through defense agreements along with a permanent end to policies that seek to hold Ethiopia hostage by denying her access to the sea through Assab. A sort of carrot and stick diplomacy if you will. Note that the above stated issues would have come naturally if Eritrea had a responsible government that was more interested in development and eradicating poverty than wrecking havoc in the region. It is past due time for us to wake up to the challenges of the 21st century, we are non existent players in the globalized economy, what awaits us is a difficult future of reaping the ills of industrialization of man kind through climate change before we even enjoyed the fruits of industrialization ourselves, this is aside the massive deforestation levels already present. But please, lets keep talking about Badme…

  • Truly, Truly i say to you April 17, 2013

    Despite i agree with 75 % of Fitsum´s analysis specially about concerning Badme issue argumenting, I don´t think he has completely come to his sense, even after taken notice to some of the criticisms we gave him last time. Because of that i don´t like to leave him without contradict and criticize again.
    Please imagine how can dare the one who claim selves as an Eritrean activist and continuously who wrote political analysis like Fitsum simply dare to admit and say this word:- “It is true that we invaded Badme and ignited the war but the event precedes the international court procedure by which Badme was found to be Eritrean;” Reading this statement Does Fitsum blames despite Eritrea is the aggressor, the international court was injusticefully awarded Badme to Eritrea is what saying or what? Please from this controversial judgment like Fitsum assuming who should to be the aggressor and ignited the war? Eritrea the one awarded Badme because found its own territory, or Ethiopia the one lost Badme? Here something is fishing in Fitsums mind again. Actually in this monkey mind like cheap argument i don´t like to involve, because i know the cause of the war not Badme is at first place, and Ethiopia as not have might or capacity by itself to refuse or to change the already decided decision unless it is pushed and backed by others power. We know who are the key players and who have might the problem to solve at once if it needed. But as long as we Eritreans have not our own head of state who is elect by people choice, i don´t expect mercenary sick adventurer Isayas (Don Quixote of Asmara)to defend our nation interest, even we know we have a lot of truth and conceivable reasons to challenge the injustice stand by powerful nation tooken specially regarding this issue.

  • Petros Haile April 17, 2013

    Selam Fistum,
    The Ethiopian political dynamics will change due to :

    As you clearly put in a semi democratic rule, the 6% controlling the 94 % can not sustain for long.
    The dynamic personality of the former PM Meles is no longer present, He was a cult figure to some, …
    His loss produced mini factions with in the ruling party.
    The division with in the government can be a good sign to advance a genuine reform. Sounds ironic, but it is true,
    Secrets will be revealed, and it will force the government to change things ..
    The opposition in Ethiopia is awakened, and it’s approach to demand change is re-emerged with a skilful tactical and strategic plan …
    The Muslims, The newly organized Oromo movements, and the formation of solid coalitions, caught the ruling elites by surprise.
    The provocations and negative media campaigns of the EPRDF authorities towards the Muslim and other opposition movements is no longer effective …
    The days where EPRDF members “think alike, and act alike” has changed,
    The OPDO, APDM, and other regional organization are ascertaining their rights with in the confinement of their KILIL …
    Power is gradually moving away from the center. Decentralized power is inevitable…
    The resource accumulation, and the highly and visible concentration of power by a certain group is becoming the talk of the town.

    The Eritrean Political dynamics will change due to:

    The sudden death of the PIA will leave matters in the hands of the Generals, and high ranking officers, and the civilian presidential advisers will vanish …
    Urgent reforms will be introduced, and the PFDJ had to prove the effects of the reform is genuine, and the people has to feel the benefits …
    The temporary & superficial measures to pacify the people of Eritrea will have a ripple and unintended consequences … the people demanding for a greater reform …
    The demand for constitutional rule, and to free prisoners will become the rallying ground inside and outside the country.
    The EDF will create its own rank and file leaders, and respectfully remove, the Generals and high ranking officers from power…
    Hopefully the Generals & High ranking officers gracefully step aside …
    Once the EDF took control, we will witness the officially banning of the PFDJ with all its apparatus … and begin to prosecute the criminal elements.
    EDF will allow those forces who harbored in Ethiopia to join in …… , provided their methods of struggle will be peaceful and participatory.
    Civic societies will be allowed to flourish and most of the law drafted will be implemented … after few revisions .
    Eritrean entepnuers and investors will have a conducive environment to conduct their business in a safe and stable environment.
    Political parties and Civic groups will begin to function legally, …

    The foreign involvement may have the following scenario:

    The Abay project will complicate matter, due to the Eritrean and Sudanese renewed relations with the Egyptian Government .
    Chinese and US interest in the region will most likely have the cold war image … This time a resource based contentions …
    Ethiopia / Eritrea will become the willing coalition to one of the superpowers …
    The emerging interest of the Arabs will play a significant role as well …
    The international community will approve the lifting of sanction, provided a significant change made by the new leaders in Eritrea …

    I am asking primarily Fistum, and this Forum members to make sense out of my jibrish Scenarios ?

    • Asmara3 April 18, 2013

      You said it, it is just that. IT IS JIBRISH

  • PAPER TIGER April 17, 2013

    Dear young Eritreans,

    We Eritreans lived half a century hating eachother…and not willing to listen to eachother patientely..that is what Mr. Fitsum Abraham is trying to show us by example.Adressing all our concerns …including the ridiculous ones.
    We the old goat generation are as useless as electric stove in Eritrea (there is no electricity )…I hope the new generation will follow Mr. Fitsum´s teachings.

    • Ghenet April 18, 2013

      Paper tiger,
      Kemakha ybzHu!
      acknowledging one’s weakness is half the solution.

      • PAPER TIGER April 19, 2013

        Thanks Geni ,

        We have to put pride thing of the past in order to find real solutions.Thank you for noticing Genie..you are a real sister /daughter.

  • Truly, Truly i say to you April 17, 2013

    Reading this statement from the text, “I don’t think Ethiopians will scarify peaceful coexistence and mutually benefiting economic development for the pride of 6% of the population.” I don´t think this talk is about Tigri, but i know it is about Eritrea.
    Anyway this say it reminds me a joke by Habesha society widely known and reflected. Let me try to tell you in my poor English.
    God asked from three different nations selected persons and told them, “Ask me whatever you like i give you what you wanted, but you have to know i give double to your neighbors to what you asked me and i gave it to you. Then the American once at first says, “Lord give me one Airplane.” The second Japanese once says,” Lord give me one Suzuki.” At last, did you know what the Ethiopian Habescha man requested? God if you give twice to my neighbor then please “make blind my one eye” he said. So that his neighbor to lose both eyes and completely to lose his sight. You may think this is a joke, but that exactly is what happening in Ethio- Eritrea politic. The reason Ethiopia chosen to use Djibouti port and yearly paying 1,5 billion dollars taxes to tiny nation , instead with low tax peacefully using Eritrean Ports is certifying the fact the above as joke mentioned history not joke is but how 100 % really fact is. Even we heard, so that Eritrea not to be more profitable and prosperous, Ethiopia has plan to use our ports indirectly through Qatar government and if Port Asab lays under Qatari investors only. Typical Habescha jealousity and behavior!

    • abe April 18, 2013

      Truly,

      The reason Ethiopia uses Djibouti port is because the ports you possess are closed by your own gov. The tale you tried to tell us is simply unethical.

      Fitsum

      I do not care whether that village is with Ethiopia our Ertirea. But the main point is weather it is binding or not the rule of law needs commitment by the Gvts. If not no one will push or punish them to accept. The Ethiopian Gvt knows this and are in need of dialogue. So upon the denial of the Ethios and the extreme need of badme in Eris, Eritreans must dialogue or wait until the new super power and prosperous Eritrea emerges to punish this ‘bandit’ Ethios.

  • denden April 18, 2013

    Only a morron can wrie such garbbage and it is from a woyane stooges who are paid to do the dirty work. Keep it up dogs but don’t fogey the camel is marching.

  • belay nega April 18, 2013

    FETSUM

    “”belay nega: “SHEWIT IS AN AUTHENTIC ETHIOPIAN WITH IDENTICAL ETHIOPIAN FEELING: SHEWIT IS JUST TELLING US WHAT ETHIOPIANS FEEL TOWARDS ERITREA””

    AFTER ALL THE BLAME YOU PUT ON OUR GOVERNMENT AND CHEERED ETHIOPIANS,SHEWIT BLEW YOU WITH THE REAL ETHIOPIANS ATTITUDE TOWARDS ERITREA.THAT IS WHY I THANKED HIM FOR HIS HONESTY

    “THESE ARE THE ETHIOPIANSWHO CANNOT AFFORD TO REMAIN LAND LOCKED ESPECIALLY BY THE PEOPLE WHOM THEY THINK ARE BROTHERS BY BLOOD AND ORIGIN.”

    NO DOUBT,THAT IS THE COMMON FACTOR ETHIOPIANS SHARE.CALLING ERITREAN FREEDOM “TEMKEHTI”

    “”THE ACTUAL SITUATION IN ERITREA IS ABOUT TO BE OR NOT TO BE A COUNTRY. BIG EVIDENCE THAT ERITREAN PROBLEM IS DEEP ROOTED””

    TRUE,THE WAR IS GOING ON BETWEEN ACTIVE ERITREANS AND ETHIOPIAN GOVERNMENT IN THE NAME OF THE TOOTHLESS ,”WIN TO LOOSE” ORIENTED SO CALLED ERITREAN OPPOSITION

    “Therefore, I sense brother Belay is advocating for unity”

    IF THE FOLLOWING:

    -ERITREANS AND ETHIOPIANS ARE BROTHERS BY BLOOD AND ORIGIN
    -WHATEVER GOING ON BETWEEN THEM IS VERY UNFORTUNATE
    -ERITREAN PROBLEM IS DEEP ROOTED
    -ETHIOPIANS LOOK AT ERITREAN FREEDOM FROM [TEMKEHTI] POINT OF VIEW
    -WHATEVER NEGATIVE IS HAPPENING IN ERITREA ETHIOPIANS HAVE A LION SHARE WITH THE HELP OF BIG NATIONS OF COURSE.
    -ERITREAN ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT TO BE OR NOT TO BE A NATION
    -THE PRESIDENT IS AS VICTIM AS THOSE WHO ARE FIGHTING ERITREA TO REMAIN A COUNTRY….ETC
    MAKES ME TO BE UNIONIST THE MEANING OF UNION MUST BE CHANGED

    ” Ethiopians denies Belay’s Eritrawinet with confident and clear state of mind, leaving him in permanent insecurity for the rest of it.”

    RATHER,THEY DENY IT TO THE LOW LIFE TOOTH LESS ,DAY TIME ERITREANS NIGHT TIME ETHIOPIANS SO CALLED OPPOSITION PARTS.

    CONCLUSION

    THERE IS NOTHING COST YOU TO TELL OUR PEOPLE THAT ETHIOPIANS ARE BEHIND ALL THESE MESS IN ERITREA

  • Asmara3 April 18, 2013

    What is up with these new bred unionists? They seem to be getting more and more desperate after the death of their master the ex-woyanies dictator. Well, he died a physical death while the Unionists are dying emotionally and morally.

    Here is the deal; regarding the border issue, you and your masters have two choices: you either accept and implement the ruling of the EEBC in its totality or you don’t. Nah, I am only playing with your desperate mind, you only have one and only one choice: accept the ruling, clean up the crap you left all over, pack your bag and get the hell out of Eritrean sovereign land. Period!

    We know very well who started the war, but we are accepting the EEBC ruling without any condition, as we signed and promised to do so. There is no running away from the truth and justice Mr. Unionist, got that?

    There is something fishy going on inside the head of “Funny hat” (aka – Fitsum). I sense some change in direction. Before he used to promote the woyanie, and also focuses on “who started the War” propaganda the Woyanie used to play – now, this fool is shamelessly, without losing any face, is starting to openly say – woyanie have to abide by the Border ruling. What gave in?

    Perhaps the death of the ex-dictator, or may be some of his previous Woyanie sponsors, started to give him a cold shoulder or are not in a position to fund him or maybe they recognized his useless self and started to kick his ass.

    But, in any case, we are Eritreans. Meaning we always say “true” or “right” when someone says the truth.

    Funny hat is gradually inching towards the truth – regarding the border issue – so, Atta boy on that

  • Asmara3 April 18, 2013

    There is something fishy going on inside the head of “Funny hat” (aka – Fitsum). I sense some change in direction. Before he used to promote the woyanie, and also focuses on “who started the War” propaganda the Woyanie used to play – now, this fool is shamelessly, without losing any face, is starting to openly say – woyanie have to abide by the Border ruling. What gave in?

    Perhaps the death of the ex-dictator, or may be some of his previous Woyanie sponsors, started to give him a cold shoulder or are not in a position to fund him or maybe they recognized his useless self and started to kick his ass.

    But, in any case, we are Eritreans. Meaning we always say “true” or “right” when someone says the truth.

    Funny hat is gradually inching towards the truth – regarding the border issue – so, Atta boy on that

    • Zeray April 18, 2013

      Asmara3

      I read your comments carefully respecting your freedom of expression, but your disrespectful labels, name calling and false assumptions makes your writing fictitious. Thank you for showing us how you write. Please keep using the same name so next time I can just skip your comments and don’t waste my time.

      • Asmara3 April 18, 2013

        Dude

        “Anatsu Nay Woyanie” is a proper description. It is not an insult. You belong there or what?

        As far as insults goes: We cry more and we bleed more when any idiot insults our beloved nation, Eritrea. If you are conserned about Funny hat, he spends his time insulting our nation, our people, our government and our president.

        So, who the hell cares what you think. Go read what idiots write then…..or poke your eyes if you don’t want to read

        • Translate April 18, 2013

          Asmara3
          I will not waste too many words describing you except to say that you are a crawling worm and I suggest that you crawl back to where you came from: Temben. You sure lack an iota of Eritreaness. Kirdad!

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